戴夫·史密斯:“以色列问题已成为选战焦点,而以色列即将把社会主义带给我们。”
Dave Smith: "Israel Is On The Ballot And Israel Is About To Deliver Us Socialism"

原始链接: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dave-smith-israel-ballot-and-israel-about-deliver-us-socialism

艾伦·德肖维茨(Alan Dershowitz)与戴夫·史密斯(Dave Smith)最近进行了一场辩论,双方就美国针对伊朗和以色列的外交政策展开了激烈交锋。德肖维茨主张采取激进的政权更迭策略,而史密斯则认为潜在的战争将是一个灾难性的错误。 辩论的一个重点是加沙冲突所引发的政治影响。两位辩论者都承认,以色列问题已成为导致选民分化的议题。史密斯指出,对以色列行为的广泛抵制正助推国内社会主义思潮的兴起,因为民主党内的反以色列派系正日益与社会主义阵营结盟。 讨论还涉及了美国干涉主义在历史上的前后矛盾。德肖维茨援引1983年贝鲁特军营爆炸案来证明对伊朗采取敌对行动的合理性。史密斯则以“伊朗门”事件的讽刺性进行反驳,指出在爆炸案发生仅两年后,里根政府便应以色列的要求,秘密向伊朗政权出售武器。史密斯认为,如果美以两国在20世纪80年代为了地缘政治利益愿意武装德黑兰,那么如今将贝鲁特爆炸案作为发动战争的借口,在智识上是不诚实的。 这场辩论还包含关于反犹主义指控的个人冲突,完整版内容可在线观看。

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Last night’s debate on the Iran war brought together Alan Dershowitz and libertarian Dave Smith for a wide-ranging clash over Iran, Israel, and … you guessed it: Antisemitism! 

Dershowitz defended the case for confronting Iran while calling Smith a racist, bigot, and an important part of the “2000 year history” of antisemitism. Smith made a few jabs back while arguing the Iran war is the worst decision in modern U.S. history. Dersh maintained that he is pro-regime change by “almost any means,” justifying this position by invoking Hitler.

We recommend the full debate, but here were two highlights:

“Israel is about to deliver us socialism”

Dershowitz noted that Israel itself is increasingly becoming an electoral issue and said Americans will ultimately be able to make up their minds on whether to continue supporting the country financially/militarily:

“We're having an election coming up. Israel is very much on the ballot in many places,” Dershowitz said.

Smith strongly agreed that Israel and its enormous backlash over their conduct in Gaza:

“I'm so glad you said that, because Israel is about to deliver us socialism… Israel's on the ballot and Israel is so hated right now that we're gonna turn to socialism instead.”

There is a strong basis for Smith’s prediction for anyone paying attention. The most anti-Israel wing of Democratic politics overlaps considerably with its socialist wing. The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) officially supports BDS (boycott, divest, sanctions against Israel) and requires candidates seeking its national endorsement to satisfy a set of “Anti-Zionist requirements.” Much of this aligns with sentiments on the populist right - minus the socialism.

The result, according to Smith, will be more Mandami’s, more Al Sayed’s, and more Ilhan Omar’s.

Reagan got over Beirut pretty quickly...

Dershowitz brought up the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, which killed 241 American servicemen - and is frequently invoked by the hawks - as part of the case against Iran.

Smith pushed back on the premise because technically “Iran didn't kill our Marines in Lebanon” and that it was “a proto-Hezbollah type group” that the Iranians funded.

Still, conceding the premise, Smith went on to describe how President Ronald Reagan. just two years later, went on to covertly arm the Iranians in their war against Iraq. An operation assisted by the Israelis:

“At least be consistent. Two years after that attack on our Marines, Ronald Reagan, at the behest of the Israelis, sold weapons to the Iranians.”

These secret arm sales are now common knowledge and part of the larger Iran-Contra scandal, wherein also, according to former WH aide Barbara Honegger’s book October Surprise, then VP candidate George HW Bush flew to Iran ahead of the Reagan-Carter 1980 election. There Bush promised the Iranians money and weapons as long as the regime not release the American hostages until after election day (to tip the election in Reagan’s favor)… the hostages being another talking point of the hawks today painting the Iranians as fanatics.

Meanwhile, the Reagan administration had also tilted toward Saddam Hussein’s Iraq during the same war, providing intelligence and other assistance despite Iraq’s use of chemical weapons, which per Scott Horton’s Enough Already, they greenlit in secret while essentially saying “go ahead but FYI were gonna have to condemn this stuff if public.”

Smith’s point: if Reagan and Israel could work with and even arm Tehran two years after Beirut, citing the bombing more than four decades later as a standing justification for war deserves some scrutiny.

“If two years after that, Ronald Reagan and the Israeli government could deal weapons to the Iranians, don't come back to me... now and start using that just as one of your pylons because you need another little piece of something that sounds like a justification.”

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