特斯拉Robotaxi 7月在奥斯汀发生3起事故,隐瞒细节。
Tesla Robotaxi Reports 3 Crashes in Austin in July, Hides Details

原始链接: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2025/09/18/tesla-robotaxi-reports-3-crashes-in-austin-on-july-1-details-hidden/

## 特斯拉Robotaxi早期事故数据引发担忧 在2025年6月于德克萨斯州奥斯汀启动试点计划后不久,特斯拉在7月向联邦监管机构报告了3起涉及其Robotaxi车辆的事故。尽管这十几辆车总共只积累了约7000英里的运营里程,但这些事故——包括追尾和与静止物体接触——引发了人们对系统安全性的质疑。 值得注意的是,特斯拉出于保护专有信息,大量删减了事故细节,这与Waymo、Zoox和Cruise等竞争对手提供完整报告的做法不同。虽然特斯拉声称其“安全监控器”(本质上是一位具备紧急停车功能的安全驾驶员)的事故率较低,但这些事故,特别是其中一起造成轻微伤,考虑到有人能够进行干预,仍然令人担忧。 分析表明,特斯拉的早期事故率似乎远高于行驶了数百万英里的Waymo。此外,还浮现了一起未列出的轮胎损坏事故。有限的数据和删减使得得出明确结论变得困难,但强调了特斯拉扩大Robotaxi服务时,需要提高性能和透明度。

特斯拉Robotaxi 7月在奥斯汀发生3起事故,隐瞒细节 (forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton) 15 分,JumpCrisscross 1小时前 | 隐藏 | 过去 | 收藏 | 2 条评论 rogerrogerr 19分钟前 [–] “细节”的隐藏方式并非标题所暗示的那样。文章中间以要点形式列出:1起是车辆停止时被追尾。另2起是低速事故,可能发生在停车场。不应该发生,但这是一个非常误导性的标题,损害了反特斯拉的论点。回复 soperj 11分钟前 | 父评论 [–] 绝对不是停车场事故。 还有一起事故因为发生在停车场所以不需要特别报告。回复 考虑申请YC冬季2026批次!申请截止日期为11月10日 指南 | 常见问题 | 列表 | API | 安全 | 法律 | 申请YC | 联系 搜索:
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Tesla’s crash report for self-driving vehicles to the federal government lists 3 crashes involving the Tesla robotaxi, in July, shortly after launching their pilot service in Austin, TX. Tesla redacted much of the relevant data about the crashes, claiming they reveal important proprietary information. By this date, Tesla’s approximately dozen cars had done fairly few 7,000 operational miles. Let’s unpack the details.

UPDATE: All Crashes in the government database were listed as on July 1, but it is likely this date is used for all crashes in July. An earlier version of this story presumed the listed date was the real date.

The report is current as of August first, suggesting there were no more crashes in July. It’s not clear how many miles the cars drove: During the Tesla earnings call on July 23, it was reported they had driven 7,000 miles. That might have been in the first 30 days, or it might have covered just driving in the second quarter, ie. from June 22 to June 30. Either way it’s a small amount of driving to have any crashes.

This is particularly true because these Tesla “robotaxis” aren’t actual robotaxis, they have a safety driver on board, located in the passenger seat. Tesla defies industry convention and calls the safety driver a “safety monitor” while they are in that right hand seat, but, like a driving school instructor they have an emergency stop button they keep their finger on, and can access the wheel, they are the responsible driver for legal reasons. (This is what a safety driver means, they are not expected to actually drive the car, they are the legal, licensed driver who can intervene if the car makes a mistake.) The crash rate with a safety driver should be very low. Tesla claims its Autopilot (mainly freeways) system with a human monitoring it has an airbag deployment every 5 million miles, for example, a rate probably modestly better than the drivers would have alone. (Tesla claims 10x better but this is highly inaccurate--people in the same demographic have airbag deployments on freeways probably every 3-4 million miles, though this number is not easy to determine.)

With the crash description and other important details like location redacted, it is hard to really determine what happened.

  1. 3:45am The Tesla was stopped (while going straight) and damaged on the rear-right by an SUV front right. Police were called.
  2. 12:20pm: Tesla hit a stationary object with front-right at 8mph. Minor injuries, no hospital. Police called. Tesla was towed away
  3. 3:15pm: Tesla rear-right contacted front-right of an SUV while Tesla was making right turn, going 2mph. No police. (Report appears twice due to update.)

Crash #1 looks like the Tesla was rear ended while stopped which would be no fault of the vehicle or safety driver. Crash #3 is harder to tell--without the details, it could be the Tesla backing up, or it could be a rear-ending. Crash #2 is the most serious. Even one crash of this nature in the first 7,000-25,000 miles is cause for significant concern, especially with a safety driver on board.

During this period, Waymo had many crash reports, Zoox had 7 and May had 2, others had 1. The other companies do not redact the details as Tesla did. Waymo had a famous crash into a lighting pole that might be similar to crash #2 above, but this took place in a vehicle that’s giving 250,000 rides/week and just reported 96 million miles--their crash rate is actually better than expected. Analysis of the reports for Waymo suggest they are not at fault for the vast majority of their reported crashes. Even one at fault crash, especially an injury crash, in under 25,000 miles is an extremely poor rate. You can’t extrapolate well from a single data point, the strong implication is that Tesla has to get much better – perhaps 300x better, to match Waymo. The presence of the safety driver implies the improvement goal might be much greater than 100x.

It is unclear why Tesla redacted most of the important details, or what value there is in hiding data which might paint them in a better light (for example, confirming they were rear-ended.) The reports claim there was no safety driver in all 3 crashes, but that’s very unlikely, it’s more likely Tesla just trying to pretend their right side safety driver is not a safety driver.

Not listed is an event that was shown on video where the Tesla’s tire hit the front side of a parked passenger car in a parking lot on day #1. It is possible it did not need to be listed because damage was limited to tire marks, or because it was on private property. Either way, it’s at least two at-fault crashes for the Teslas, possibly three.

Let’s hope that when August reports come out, we’ll not see any from Tesla, unless they are doing a lot more miles. In California they keep the safety driver in the left seat, and they have started doing that in Texas for at least some rides, due to new regulations. Crashes with safety drivers should be ridiculously rare in a mature product--they require the system to make a major mistake, and for the human to also not handle it at the same time. When Tesla Autopilot and FSD were less mature, they made mistakes very frequently, every few miles, but even with amateur safety drivers, the resulting crash rate was low. Professional safety drivers do even better.

It’s odd that these crashes didn’t end up online. Back in July, only invited influencers were able to ride in Tesla robotaxis, and many of the rides were recorded on video. Perhaps these crashes took place during empty vehicle moves. They just say that “all passengers were belted” but that would include the safety driver. For other vehicles, there are no passengers when the vehicle is moving between rides. It’s also surprising that a crash at noon which involved the Tesla being towed away didn’t get widely reported, even in social media, considering the scrutiny and public interest in the project. It’s unclear what else we are missing.

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