放弃Stack Overflow;社区必须承担所有权。
Let go of StackOverflow; communities must take ownership

原始链接: https://ahelwer.ca/post/2025-11-25-stackoverflow/

## Stack Overflow 的衰落与社区所有权的呼吁 本文认为 Stack Overflow 已从一个有用的资源退化为一种有害的力量,尤其对小众技术社区而言。作者通过一个名为“乔·波因茨曼”的讽刺故事来说明这一点,他通过*不*回答问题来获得声誉,突出了一个扭曲的激励结构,即关闭和删除问题会受到奖励。 核心问题是激励机制不一致:Stack Overflow 的审核,通常由对该主题没有既得利益的人员进行,实际上会阻碍学习和社区发展。与由投入成员审核的社区不同,Stack Overflow 优先考虑游戏化而非实用性,经常关闭来自新手的合法问题。 作者提倡放弃 Stack Overflow,转而使用替代平台——即使是专有平台,如 Discord 或 Slack——在这些平台上,社区可以自我管理并优先培养真正的参与度。虽然承认没有完美的系统(以 Arch Linux 论坛为例),但本文强调了**由投入社区所有权**的重要性,胜过无面孔、游戏化的审核。最终,行动呼吁很明确:删除你的 Stack Overflow 帐户,并支持重视专业知识和好奇心的平台。

最近一篇Hacker News上的帖子讨论了Stack Overflow的实用性下降,并提倡转向社区所有平台。作者认为Stack Overflow正在失去相关性,促使人们需要替代方案。 评论者承认迁移用户从成熟平台离开的难度,强调需要一个提供可比或更优功能的新选项,并且克服“网络效应”——人们等待广泛采用后再切换。 一位评论员指出Stack Overflow的相关性已经减弱,因为像ChatGPT这样的工具现在通常能提供更快且同样有效的答案,本质上复制了该网站聚合和重新呈现现有知识的功能。讨论的中心是构建替代方案的挑战,以及在当前人工智能发展的情况下,是否真的需要一个替代方案。
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原文

Despite the title this is less a directive and more a description of what has already happened, and how I came to realize it. Still, there are many who remember StackOverflow as a revelation in the mid-2010s and think some vestige of those times remain. They think if they make an effort to distill their confusion into a question and post it there they will be rewarded. Perhaps some scarce few will, but a better way exists.

A story: first, our hero, Joe Pointsman. Joe read Catch-22 in high school and was particularly struck by one passage:

His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbours sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counselled one and all, and everyone said “Amen.”

Decades later, Joe has actualized this and earned ten million Good Boy Points by not answering questions about CORS on StackOverflow. Due to an oddly common personality quirk, whatever in creation exists without Joe’s knowledge exists without Joe’s consent. So it is when our hero encounters a newly-posted question under the TLA+ tag about how to define a custom symmetry relation in the TLA+ toolbox. Joe does not know what TLA+ is. He does not know what TLA is an abbreviation for, and if he did, he would not know anything other than that. This is not due to a moral failing on Joe’s part. However, he is the protagonist, and protagonists act. Thus the question was immediately closed and later deleted. Problem dealt with. Consent restored.

Some time later, Joe decided to do a web search to learn more about this TLA+ thing. He discovered something awful: a mailing list, where people freely discuss TLA+ outside of his purview. He immediately drafted an email to the mailing list’s moderators:

I am Joe Pointsman, protagonist. I am very good at not answering questions about CORS. Grant me permission to delete any messages from your mailing list I so desire. I await your collaboration.

Sadly, Joe never received a response. However, he kept an eye on the StackOverflow TLA+ tag. People needed to know they could receive help for questions about TLA+. The best way to assist the odd person wandering in, Joe knew, was the virtual equivalent of a swift baseball bat to the face. In this way Joe contributed to the TLA+ community, assisting people in their difficult learning journey. Many of the people who took a baseball bat to the face stopped learning TLA+, and Joe accepted this with magnanimity even though it meant he would not earn as many Good Boy Points by hitting them again with a baseball bat. What mattered was that the warm, inviting TLA+ tag continued to lure other people in. And so it went.

In technocrat vernacular we have a misalignment of incentives. Communities that form around languages, frameworks, and projects have some incentive to get more people to use them and join the community, either for an uninterrogated growth drive or because it’s nice to have other humans be interested in things you are interested in. In this regard communities are (usually) welcoming and tolerant of questions requiring some thought to answer, that have mistaken premises common to those learning new concepts, or that are just kind of lazy (in the broad view, all questions are lazy when answers can be found or inferred from somewhere). This alignment does not exist when people who have no stake in the community can moderate that community.

So, a call to action: delete your StackOverflow account. Let go of the FOMO that you could one day use it to learn something. You can use other channels, and by so using them you strengthen those channels. Here are some examples of other channels:

Occasionally this alternative channel takes the form of a proprietary platform like Slack or Discord. I do not like these, but I still contend that they are preferable to StackOverflow, simply because of the incentive alignment. And yes, community ownership is not a panacea. The Arch Linux forums are rather infamous for being mean to people who have not put in the work when formulating their question, with the expectation that people will put in as much work to answer your question as you put in to ask it (a mutuality which, it should be said, can result in truly amazing tech support if you are up for it).

I wish there were a way to request that the TLA+ tag on StackOverflow be deleted. It is actively harmful, and will remain so, until that website finally goes away. Note that other narrowly-tailored instances in the wider StackExchange network are still quite good, for the basic reason that they are moderated by people who know & are curious about the topic under discussion. In particular I have been impressed by CSSE and QCSE.

Not much else to say. Choose ownership by invested communities instead of faceless gamified interlopers.

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