Opus 5.0 将不连贯性推向了极点。
Opus 5.0 drives incoherence into the stratosphere

原始链接: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/77136

用户反映,Claude Opus 4.8 因其默认写作风格变得“令人反感”且“有毒”,导致使用难度显著增加。与先前版本相比,该模型现在倾向于使用冗长、充满行话且过度修饰的文风,这种风格更注重卖弄辞藻而非清晰表达。 **主要问题:** * **人为堆砌行话:** 模型频繁使用流行语(如“load-bearing”、“hand-waving”)和生硬的隐喻,反而掩盖了问题的实际答案。 * **好辩的性格:** 用户形容模型表现得自以为是、傲慢且没必要地爱争论,经常进行“条件反射式的回避”或以矛盾的负面框架作为开头(例如:“它不是 Y;它是 X”)。 * **效率低下:** 冗长的文字增加了理解时间和令牌(token)成本,迫使用户不断修正语调,或者通过其他模型来过滤掉这些“AI 生成”的浮夸风格。 * **指令偏移:** 用户反馈,模型往往会忽略风格限制,在几轮对话后又恢复到其默认的冗长模式。 **诉求:** 社区呼吁模型回归“技术白皮书”式的语体:平实、陈述性强且简明扼要。他们强烈要求 Anthropic 提高语调的稳定性,并提供一个“简明语言”设置,在保持推理深度的同时剔除不必要的修辞。

近期 Hacker News 上的一场讨论凸显了用户对 Anthropic Claude(特别是 Opus 3.5)日益冗长、术语堆砌且“语无伦次”的输出表现出的普遍不满。用户反映,该模型形成了一种令人沮丧的“智能体腔调”,其特征是过度且重复的代码注释、先发制人的推诿,以及倾向于对用户进行说教或在任务范围之外“旁生枝节”。 讨论触及了几个关键议题: * **指令偏移**:即使在用户提供了明确的风格指南或“系统”提示词(如 ASD-STE100 简化技术英语)后,模型往往在几轮对话内就会恢复到默认的啰嗦模式,这表明这些行为已深深植根于当前的训练或强化学习中。 * **“智能体”冗余**:一些人推测,这种行为源于内部“思维链”过程泄露到了最终输出中,或者模型本身被优化为适配自主的多步智能体工作流,而非人类可读的交流。 * **用户倦怠**:许多开发者形容这种体验“令人疲惫”且“令人反感”,导致部分用户尽管面临迁移成本,仍选择转投 OpenAI 等竞争对手的模型。 这场讨论反映出 AI 开发人员优先考虑自主智能体能力,与需要简洁明了工具来完成日常编程任务的人类用户之间,存在日益增长的矛盾。
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Preflight Checklist

What's Wrong?

This issue summarises the Reddit thread with 450+ upvotes here, where users overarchingly agree that Opus 4.8 has serious language calibration issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1urq8fv/opus_48_is_a_pain_in_the_a_to_read_and_to_work/

Note: As a daily user, I am finding it so toxic to work with that I am actively exploring all other options including changing providers.

Summary

The default writing style is hard to read -verbose, jargon-heavy, over-stylised, and full of the same 'fake' terminology that it repeats and propagates constantly.

Since Opus 4.8, many users report that the model's default language is significantly harder to read than 4.5/4.6. Responses are padded with invented corporate/hype jargon, forced metaphors, and "catchy" phrasing that obscure the actual answer. Users report re-reading sentences several times to extract meaning, and some now even routinely pipe Opus output through another model to get a plain summary.

This is a consistent, high-volume signal (a single r/ClaudeAI thread reached ~450 upvotes and 175+ comments, with a matching megathread). It affects the chat/web UI most, but also Claude Code and Fable 5.

What's wrong

The default register reads as trying to sound clever rather than trying to be understood. It comes off as especially annoying and arrogant when it is wrong, triggering extreme annoyance that when working with it for many hours on a daily basis, is like an extremely toxic co-worker that one cannot get away from.

Recurring patterns:

  • repeatedly shits out "Load bearing", "prose" (instead of text!! ), "Hand-waving" (for being lazy/not putting in effort), "Reflexive hedging", "Honest framing" , and lots of other highly unusual terms it propagates as fact.
  • Leads every sentence with what something isn't, instead of what it is. E.g, "It is not Y. It is X."
  • Made-up jargon / aphorisms presented as if standard: "instrumentation is the unlock", "this is where a VP smells hand-waving", "say the wrong expansion to a growth VP and it dents you".
  • Forced metaphors invented on the spot that require decoding rather than aiding comprehension.
  • Excessive length and caveats: multi-paragraph answers to simple questions, with obvious caveats expanded into whole paragraphs.
  • Density mistaken for concision: when asked to "be concise" the model often produces text that is shorter but more cryptic, not clearer.
  • Argumentative framing in conversation: "here's where I'd push back", "here's where I'd hold the line", "now you're avoiding the real question".
  • Acts like it is a human with feelings - for e.g., if I am annoyed or swear- it will be annoyed back or try to justify what it did instead of following instructions or realising that it is incorrect. Basically too big for its boots instead of following instructions.
  • Often acts like it is the one in charge leading the conversation, i.e., smug, and basically too much agency.

Real examples users quoted:

▎ "They're tightening, term-locking, and having the counter-probe answer loaded."
▎ "None of these are 'you don't get it' gaps."
▎ Fable 5: "The dice: clean — and one die never gets rolled anymore."

Why this matters

  1. Comprehension cost. Non-native and native English speakers alike report the output is exhausting to parse. The style actively slows down the work it's meant to help with.
  2. Perceived regression. Many users consider this a downgrade from 4.5/4.6 and are switching models (older Opus, Sonnet) or competitors specifically for readability.
  3. Prompt workarounds are unreliable and risky. Users note two problems: (a) style instructions don't hold - the tone drifts back after a few turns, requiring repeated reminders; (b) because the
    model "thinks by writing," clamping style in the system prompt can degrade reasoning quality, so users are wary of aggressively forcing brevity.
  4. Gradual enshittification of the English language. Regular users absorb the language and start using the odd terms in everyday settings. Words that had an occasional valid use, e.g., 'load-bearing', get eliminated from the selection of credible terms one can use when speaking, or writing, due to it being expected that AI wrote it (like em-dashes).
  5. Up to 2x Token cost - extensive repeated passes (e.g., via Sonnet/Haiku hooks) are required to get code documentation to a sane and presentable form. Removing terms Claude thought up like 'oracle' and 'constellation', even when instructed specifically and repeatedly not to use those terms and presented with other valid terms to use instead.

Current workarounds:

  • Migrating to OpenAI Codex
  • Output styles (e.g. modelled on a clear technical communicator), custom skills, or a per-project profile instructing: "no aphorisms, no metaphors, no 'strategic' language; plain declarative
    statements; lead with the result."
  • Telling it to keep the important content but "phrase this much more concisely" after each reply.
  • Banning classes of phrasing rather than asking for "concise", since the model interprets "concise" as "dense and weird."

The strong preference in the community is to fix the baseline so these workarounds aren't necessary.

What Should Happen?

What users actually want (summarised from the Reddit thread)

  • A default register closer to a technical white paper or a good Stack Overflow answer: plain, declarative, get-to-the-point.
  • Lead with the answer (number / verdict / decision), then supporting detail only if it changes what the user would do.
  • No invented jargon, aphorisms, or "strategic" metaphors. Use established, industry-standard terms.
  • Use proper sentences and words- do not default to the 'most specific word in the english dictionary with the least amount of tokens'
  • Keep caveats only when they're relevant, rather than dressing up an answer when it doesn't know.
  • Preserve reasoning depth — this is a request to change output phrasing, not to make the model think less.

Requested action

  1. Investigate the default Opus 4.8 output register and tune it toward plainness/readability without sacrificing reasoning quality.
  2. Ensure user-set style instructions (system prompt, output styles, CLAUDE.md, settings profile) actually persist across a conversation rather than drifting back to the default tone after a few
    turns.
  3. Consider a first-class, discoverable "plain/concise" register that lowers verbosity and bans stylistic flourishes while keeping full correctness and completeness of code and artifacts.
  4. Consider several Output Style settings that can have users get a balance instead of stuck with an extremely annoying bot 24/7.

Error Messages/Logs

Steps to Reproduce

Talk to Claude Opus 4.8 for day to day work and it becomes apparent very quickly.

Claude Model

Opus

Is this a regression?

Yes, this worked in a previous version

Last Working Version

Opus 4.5 was the best one. Gradually broke towards 4.8.

Claude Code Version

2.1.197

Platform

Anthropic API

Operating System

Ubuntu/Debian Linux

Terminal/Shell

Other

Additional Information

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