利塞冈环
Liesegang Rings

原始链接: https://chillphysicsenjoyer.substack.com/p/liesegang-rings

作为探索家庭实验室环境下复杂自组织现象的一部分,我一直在研究利瑟冈环(Liesegang rings)——即由化学沉淀形成的几何图案。这些图案与生物发育过程中发现的结构十分相似,为研究非平衡态统计力学提供了一个具有丰富数学内涵的视角。 出于对美学和科学探索的好奇,我寻找了一种安全且易于操作的方法来复现这些实验。为了避免使用重铬酸钾等危险化学品,我采用了 Chopard 在 1999 年发表的论文中提到的流程,该方法使用琼脂、氯化镁和氢氧化钠——这些试剂通常在厨房或五金店就能找到。 该过程包括制作注入氯化镁的琼脂凝胶,然后加入氢氧化钠溶液以触发沉淀带的形成。我的第一次尝试虽然产生了有潜力的沉淀界面,但未能形成典型的节律性条纹。我发现精确的温度控制——特别是达到近沸点以充分溶解琼脂——对于获得清晰的效果至关重要。尽管最初未能产生清晰的环状结构,我仍将这一过程记录下来,旨在鼓励独立研究的透明度,并继续优化变量,以深入理解化学图案形成的底层物理机制。

这篇 Hacker News 的讨论围绕一篇关于“利斯特岗环”(Liesegang rings)的文章展开,这是一种涉及节律性沉淀模式的现象。 评论者们强调了这些形态的美学价值,并将其与图灵斑图(Turing patterns)进行了类比,后者常被误认为是动物皮毛斑纹背后的生物学机制。讨论还涉及了复现这些实验的实践层面;读者们分享了使用微波炉制备琼脂凝胶的技巧,并指出虽然这种方法有效,但过程非常混乱且容易飞溅。最后,参与者建议,有兴趣亲眼观察这些自然图案的人可以去看看带状玛瑙,这是该现象常见的地质学实例。
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Last time I write about trying to find phenomena where the physics might stay the same as you shrink down the dimensions. Another one of the themes of the independent science society is to figure out how to create complex phenomena worth experimenting with on tabletop.

Previously I demonstrated Rayleigh Bernard convection cells with Mica powder and oil, where I saw cell-like devisions in liquid when I applied a temperature gradient. This was an example of non-equilibrium , self organising phenomena due to the application of a temperature gradient. I've preciously tried and failed to do other things like the Briggs Rauscher reaction, which is a (safer) example of an oscillating chemical reaction.

With regards to complex phenomena, I am trying to figure out which variables actually matter through both math and physical experiments, which is hard. In the case of convection cells, we have variables like the thickness of the liquid layer, the temperature gradient, the size of the container, amongst other things. And these ideas are something I want to get around to understanding myself in this lab.

Another piece of complex phenomena that caught my eye is Liesegang rings. These are rings that form in a gel according to a spacing that goes like (1 + p)^n, which is a geometric series. You can get them through a bunch of different waysHere is what they look like, images taken from this really cool website on Liesegang ring models.

You can see quite clearly the spacing going in a geometric pattern in this one with magnesium hydroxide.

Why do I find this interesting? When reading books about embryology, like the Triumph of The Embryo, I got interested in how chemical reactions give rise to patterning in some animals. I also find that the theory of patterning in chemical reactions is mathematically rich as well, something which I'm trying to understand more through the lens on non-equilibrium statistical mechanics. The aesthetics of these things are just mesmerising. Even though liesegang rings aren't the mechanism behind animal patterning, you still can't help but marvel at what goes on behind the scenes.

Here's a page out of 'A Field Guide To the Birds of Malaysia'.

And to the best of my knowledge, the mechanisms behind Liesegang rings haven't really been fully resolved yet. Which puts this in prime territory to try and replicate some of this stuff at home.

I had a think about trying to replicate Liesegang rings using Potassium dichromate and silver nitrate, which seems to yield the brightest rings. But when I was shopping for potassium dichromate on sigma aldrich and then realised that it was carcinogenic, with inhalation risk. So not really that appropriate for homelab style stuff...

And then the other example on the Liesegang website was using a gel soak of magnesium hydrochloride with ammonia, but I also found the ammonia quite sketchy since the concentrations looked high.

So then I was looking around with Gpt Sol to try and find some safer versions, along with reagants that were more available. So then I came across a paper by Chopard in 1999 which managed to create Liesgang rings out of agar jelly (safe), magnesium chloride (bath salts) and sodium hydroxide. Sodium hydroxide is called caustic soda and can be bought from stores. It's corrosive but doesn't have fumes and I previously used it trying to make quantum dots at home.

Here are photos of the Liesegang rings from the Chopard 1999 paper

I tried the following recipe to make the rings with NaOH, shown in the image on the right.

The reagents were pretty cheap as well, here is th e complete list with the estimated costs from Claude. Again to stress, most of these available pretty readily out there! I would really like to make chemical network research more accessible to home experimentation,

I got Sol to tell me the concentrations and procedure to replicate the paper.

Here is my first attempt. And spoiler alert, it's a fail and I couldn't get the bands to separate properly for some reason. But I think it's just as important to share failures along with successes in the spirit of being a transparent independent scientist so here goes...

Embarassingly the fiddliest part of all this was trying to get the agar jelly nice and smooth so that the gel wouldn't be cloudy, so that I could see the banding.

I first tried to mix 1.5g of agar powder with 90ml and then put it in my magnetic stirrer and heater, but I only managed to get the agar to a temperature of 60C, which isn't enough to fully dissolve the agar powder - you need to get it to near boiling for it to dissolve properly.

It was much quicker and easier to get the agar to 90C temperature by putting it in a microwave for 40s at 900W. You can get agar from any old food shop or on amazon. I used a basic cooking temperature probe to test that it got to temperature.

Putting it into the microwave for 40s managed to get it up to the right temperature for dissolution - here it's 94C.

I then kept the agar warm on my magnetic stirrer at 60C.

And then after that I prepared 2g of Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate in 98ml of water and then put it in the agar jelly

Stirring it and getting the bubbles out

And then I put it in some test tubes and let it cool, in tubes of 20g each

I then let the MgCl soaked tubes rest for 90 minutes until it became a gel.

After that I put 1g of NaOH in 50ml of water solution, this is corrosive so be careful

And then i poured the NaOH solution into the gel soak.

And then I did this with 3 test tubes and then left one alone.

I left it for 10 hours and here's what I got. As you can see there is a white precipitate interface, which is promising. But I don't see the band structures that I so desperately want to see!

  1. B. Chopard, M. Droz, J. Magnin, Z. Rácz, and M. Zrinyi, "Liesegang Patterns: Effect of Dissociation of the Invading Electrolyte," J. Phys. Chem. A 103 (10), 1432–1436 (1999). ACS · preprint arXiv:cond-mat/9809385.

  2. Liesegang ring experiments and models, insilico.hu.

  3. L. Wolpert, The Triumph of the Embryo (Oxford University Press, 1991).

  4. Lim Kim Seng, Lim Kim Chuah, and Yong Ding Li (illus. Dana Gardner), A Field Guide to the Birds of Malaysia, including Sabah and Sarawak (John Beaufoy Publishing). NHBS.

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