加里·谭(Garry Tan)希望美国的开源AI实验室也能“提炼”前沿模型。
Garry Tan wants US open-weight AI labs to 'distill' frontier models, too

原始链接: https://techcrunch.com/2026/09/11/y-combinators-garry-tan-wants-u-s-open-weight-ai-labs-to-distill-frontier-models-too/

Y Combinator 首席执行官加里·陈(Garry Tan)正抵制有关监管人工智能“蒸馏”(distillation)的呼声。蒸馏是指利用前沿模型来训练较小模型的技术。尽管 Anthropic 等公司警告称,中国实验室正在利用非法蒸馏手段规避安全限制,但陈认为监管机构不应介入此事。 陈主张建立一种“美国式蒸馏机制”,鼓励国内的开源权重实验室合法地对前沿模型进行蒸馏,而非实施限制。他认为,前沿模型实验室通过摄取海量公开及受版权保护的人类数据构建了模型,因此不应限制客户如何使用通过 API 提供的智能成果。 陈将此视为制衡企业权力的重要手段。他警告称,真正的“末日情景”是出现一个单极化的未来,即由一家专有公司垄断人工智能领域。陈认为,通过合法的蒸馏技术推广开源权重模型,美国能够培育出一个更具竞争性、多元化且易于访问的人工智能生态系统,从而防止权力过度集中在少数巨头手中。

近期的一场 Hacker News 讨论探讨了 Garry Tan 关于美国开源权重 AI 实验室应“提炼”(distill)前沿模型的呼吁。参与者们普遍对主流 AI 实验室持高度批评态度,认为这些公司在未经许可的情况下,利用海量“挖掘”出的数据训练其私有模型,因此它们没有道德立场去限制他人提炼其研究成果。 评论者驳斥了各实验室关于“非法提炼攻击”的担忧,认为这不过是保护市场主导地位的贸易保护主义手段,而非基于道德标准的考量。多位用户指出,模型提炼类似于从现有文献中学习,属于合理使用范畴。此外,一些人认为 Tan 的主张是出于 Y Combinator 初创公司的利益考量,这些公司若能获得开源权重能力,将无需再依赖 OpenAI 或 Anthropic 等公司昂贵的付费 API,从而获得经济收益。总的来说,该讨论反映出一种强烈的观点:如果前沿模型是建立在“公共资源”之上,那么它们理应被视为公共资源,而非私有秘密。
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When it comes to Chinese AI labs using distillation techniques to extract knowledge from frontier model makers, Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan is hoping regulators stay out of it. In fact, he thinks U.S. AI labs should perhaps play the same game.

“I would do nothing,” he told CNBC in an interview earlier this week. “We could argue that there should be an American distillation regime.”

He elaborated to TechCrunch that this means he wants smaller, American open-weight AI labs to use the same kind of training techniques on American frontier AI labs, giving the U.S. a more robust set of open-weight options that aren’t Chinese.

Distillation is when a model maker extensively prompts another model in order to learn how it works and reasons. It is commonly, and legitimately, used by AI labs to help train new models.

Anthropic this week released its second report alleging that Chinese labs are engaged in “illicit distillation attacks,” hiding their identities to distill without permission and relying on fraud and stolen credentials to do so. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei had previously publicly called on U.S. regulators to crack down on distillation.

It’s notable that the commander of Silicon Valley’s prestigious and prolific startup accelerator doesn’t agree.

To be clear, Tan isn’t advocating for American AI labs to use stolen credentials to distill. He wants them to be free to come in the front door. In fact, his argument is twofold. He feels it’s an overreach for AI labs to dictate what their customers can do with the information their models share with them.

He also notes that the proprietary AI labs didn’t ask permission when they vacuumed up as much human knowledge as they could to train their models. They famously ingested plenty of copyrighted material without the permission of those intellectual property holders.

“Controlling what users and customers do with API calls to closed weight models feels constraining, and there’s a role government can play here to normalize the fact that access to intelligence that was trained on broad public access data should itself also be more a form of a public good than something locked away behind restrictive terms of service,” he told TechCrunch when asked why American labs should be free to distill, too.

Tan, who is himself such an avid AI user that he once described himself as having cyber psychosis, wants to see a balance between open-weight AI labs and frontier labs.

“They are at the frontier and driving it forward. We want that to be fundable, and be a great business model ongoing,” he told CNBC. “You want open weight models to give people freedom and access.”

To him, the true AI doomer scenario is for all the immense power of frontier AI to wind up in the hands of a single powerful, proprietary provider. “The nightmare scenario, the doomer scenario for AI is that there’s just one company,” he said. “It has the best access to capital. It has the best AI researchers. It runs away with it and suddenly there’s one company that’s monolithic. And that would be bad.”

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