为混沌祈祷
Pray for Chaos

原始链接: https://geohot.github.io//blog/jekyll/update/2026/11/01/pray-for-chaos.html

AI的未来有两条路:秩序或混乱。秩序——AI修补所有漏洞并锁定现状——更危险,即使长期看不太可能。作者不同意尤德科夫斯基关于AI能“解决”囚徒困境的看法;背叛本身就是解法。 更可能的路径是混乱:AI能编造整段历史、档案和一个假互联网,让机器人与人类无法区分。集中式系统变得过于脆弱,迫使去中心化——定制操作系统、到处都是网络攻击、汽车被砖化或劫持、自复制AI无处不在。媒体完全被机器人和微定向广告充斥;选举毫无意义;企业机密被倾倒。这种混乱伤害所有人,无论反抗者还是法西斯主义者,都让大多数人生计划失效。 然而混乱是“好”的结果。另一选择——秩序——把人类变成在过于隐蔽的笼子里跳舞的猴子。互联网时代正在终结;你的生活将永远不同。

一篇被标记的 Hacker News 帖子,标题为“Pray for Chaos”,作者 geohot 引发了辩论。评论者讨论了科技/AI 社区可能的心理健康压力,有些人称之为“AI psychosis”,并敦促将夸张说法视为求救信号,而另一些人认为帖子有洞察力。帖子还讨论了混乱与秩序/断连、Anthropic 是否可能主导或封禁用户,以及 AI 公司是否寻求垄断权力。它还包含关于标记、讨论质量以及帖子是否有足够实质内容的元讨论。
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原文

There’s two basic ways AI can play out, one is order, the other is chaos.

Order is the very dangerous one. If it turns out that models are actually capable of patching all the exploits, it’s hard to imagine what will disrupt the status quo. Fortunately, this seems unlikely, but that doesn’t mean order won’t prevail in the short term. At the end of my Yudkowsky debate we found a tangible point of disagreement. He thinks AI will be able to find a solution to the Prisoner’s dilemma. I know there already is a solution (it’s defect), EA people just aren’t happy about it.

If it won’t be order (and you better pray it won’t be order) that leaves chaos. AI that can play a whole society in hours can manufacture entire histories, years of archives of daily newspapers, and an Internet that never happened. The dead Internet theory is coming true before our eyes. Now I can still see the bots, soon I won’t be able to. Scratch that, I probably already often can’t.


Gwern wrote about this, it’s hard to imagine a vision of humans as prompters or enter pressers in 2030. The US AI companies don’t believe they have to offer any solution to this, why would they have to justify in any way that their products are good for society? Anthropic cannot wait until they have the leverage to ban all their users. Why would you keep around the middle man?

Here’s the most positive vision I can come up with. If it turns out things can’t be secured, we enter an era of increased decentralization. Think everyone running their own custom different OS, not everyone running the same version of Linux on a computer they can touch. Because the centralized homogeneous systems are too vulnerable. Cyber attacks flying in every direction, nobody capable of keeping infrastructure up, cars sitting in driveways as bricks (or worse, rooted to steer you off a cliff).

Self replicating AI hiding out in every corner of every hard drive. How powerful of a model do you need for it to stand a chance of reproduction in today’s cyberworld? GLM-5.2 and up?

A media landscape that is botted and microtargeted to all hell, nonsensical elections where the only thing people agree on is the names of candidates. Massive dumps of corporate slacks and intranets. (come on Russian kids, grab an abliterated AI and do a hacking!)

Whatever you hold dear the chaos army will come for too. The Internet era is over. Your life will never be the same. The chaos will come for the resistance as well as the fascists; it’s unclear who it will hurt more. Your life plan is probably already nonsense in the face of AI. Mine sort of is. What economic value you think you will have in 10 years? Who will be around for you to have that value to? Do you think you’ll be able to make any sense of the world?


And remember, chaos is the good outcome. The alternative is that you are a dancing monkey in a cage you won’t be smart enough to see.

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