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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41237275

现代智能手机缺乏许多用户想要的功能。 其中包括单手屏幕尺寸、耳机插孔和平衡摄像头凸块。 用户寻求更长的使用寿命、更长的电池寿命、卓越的相机和耐用性。 然而,大多数人发现现有手机价格昂贵,并且充满了侵犯隐私的不必要功能,例如过多的人工智能功能和过时的软件。 用户对苹果和谷歌目前的双头垄断表示失望,认为他们的系统扼杀了竞争和创新。 这导致选择有限且价格高昂。 此外,一些人质疑两个主导平台的必要性,并建议该行业最多只能维持两个平台。 一些人建议打破目前的双头垄断,以增加竞争并推动创新。 然而,批评者警告说,这样做可能会降低功能并降低总体用户满意度。 许多用户对近年来真正创新的丧失表示遗憾,指出与早期相比,令人兴奋的新功能和改进有所减少。 总体而言,客户主张功能全面、可靠、性能增强、使用寿命更长以及价格实惠的手机。

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I have negative desire to get a phone billing itself around AI and LLM features. I turn off every AI assistant feature on my existing devices, I actively don't want a phone that ties Gemini and AI photoshop even tighter into it. If Google wanted to actually improve their phones they would add basic software functionality they're still missing instead like, say, a per-app volume mixer that half the 3rd party Android phones I've used have added but is still missing from AOSP and Pixel.



> I have negative desire to get a phone billing itself around AI and LLM features

Google has been tastefully integrating AI into phones for a while now using opt-ins. The now-many-years old phone screening feature ensures the fear of spam won't lead to unintentionally missing calls from the doctor/dentist who call from unknown numbers. Screening suspicious calls instead of declining them is a massive quality of life improvement, and having an AI assistant answer your phone and do a live transcription is straight from the Jetsons.



There is also "hold for me", where the phone listens to hold music for you, then rings when the operator arrives.

And there is a feature now to show you how busy a customer service line is at a particular time, and to give you a text transcript with clickable buttons for the phone tree.



Am I the only one who thinks these features really don't add much to the experience?

If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me.

I didn't really save any time.

If on the other hand it could say "other users have seen this phone tree before, so here is the whole searchable tree with no waiting", that would be a noteworthy feature.



Hold for me is pretty good. I've never used the phonetree feature, but I think it's often the case that I don't know which button I need to press: I have to listen to them all first, then decide which one. Commonly I have to listen to the tree twice: once to decide, and once to find out what to click. I'll probably look for the phonetree next time, so I can just read over it and find what I want. I agree it would be much better to preload it, but that might not be plausible due to privacy concerns or legal reasons.



> due to privacy concerns or legal reasons.

There are probably only ~10,000 phone trees that cover the vast majority of calls in the USA.

If a phone tree is seen by many users and is identical, there is probably no privacy reason not to publish it. Even moreso if the total number of digits typed in quick succession is < 4 (ie. user hasn't entered some password to get in). A human operator could be the final check.



Correct, I've had it show all the phone tree options as soon as the phone tree starts playing. So, yes, it will reduce time to navigate the tree in that way.

Also, it often prevents me from having to listen to the tree twice, if I am looking for a better option and then decide a previous one was actually the better fit.



> Am I the only one who thinks these features really don't add much to the experience?

Probably because it's just bolting more shit on the ends of a shitty, outdated relic of a system. Like, we have two different computers, one of which is playing back a pre-recorded voice, to a computer which is transcribing that voice into text and buttons, so it can play a generated voice back to the other computer, which will then interpret that voice into text, then perform an action based on that text. The action probably being repeating that process a few more times.

This is remarkably bad. I'm remembering the last time I had to deal with Apple Support. I didn't sit on hold for hours, I told them I needed a call, told them what the issue was, gave a brief summary, and then their support person called me, I was immediately on the phone with a human, she sorted out my problem, and the entire thing took probably 10 minutes tops, including filling out the form.

It feels like these legitimate challenges to businesses to manage their customer service lines, support lines, etc. have actual solutions that:

a) don't require two different damn computers talking over a shitty low-baud connection to one another, and

b) result in a better experience for all parties involved

If they'd just be willing to spend a little goddamn money, like they actually care to provide good service, rather than just paying lip service to it while offering the same garbage system they've offered since the fucking 1970's.



> It feels like these legitimate challenges to businesses to manage their customer service lines, support lines, etc.

Wrong. These are not challenges. The customer service lines work exactly as designed: as cheap as possible to operate, as effective as possible in preventing majority of the callers from engaging support staff and starting any kind of support process. And the magic, most people who try and fail to get support believe it's their own fault - they're not being patient enough, or persistent enough, or maybe the problem isn't that big a deal, etc.

The companies don't want you to work around the phone tree and hold time. And once most people have tools that are able to, the companies will adjust their support channels to compensate.



> IVR menu

i googled this; looks like it means "Interactive Voice Response" menu, describing automated phone systems where the user navigates a series of options using either their phone buttons or their voice.



> If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me.

If it's a common number for a support line it actually shows you the options before they're stated by the robot. Say for example if I call bank of america's support line, it will show the not-yet-said options as greyed out, but selectable. If the call robot accepts early inputs you can actually navigate a phone menu quite rapidly. Pair that with the estimated wait times or "hold for me" you can save yourself the headache of "actively" waiting.



All of that would be great if it was actually available to me in the smaller country/market I live in, which is less of a priority for Google. I still paid for them as part of the phone.



> tastefully integrating AI

Tastefully integrating AI involves not uploading all of my photos and speech and text to the cloud and doing who knows what with that personal data.

The majority of this data should never leave my device and that's why on-device LLMs/AI are much more tasteful.



You can, and I did, but at some point I must've accidentally fumbled one of the many 'would you like to back up your data to...?' requests as I recently had a warning that my Google drive was nearly full. This was perplexing as I very rarely use it, so I check and lo! A years worth of photos off my daughter there. Not happy.



Eh? Afai, it prompts you to enable it these days.

Heck, Google is removing Location History storage from their side and making it device side only. Users in the past few weeks are getting notified to trigger the migration to device storage or all data is deleted.



Except Google Photos, which every couple days starts up telling me my phone is backing up (it isn't yet, not until I confirm it on the screen) and presenting an opt-out for uploading photos to Google. That's in Poland, EU, so I'm not sure how is that even legal. Next time, I'll ask my local DPA.



eh? Two years ago they didn't allow MRU in GMaps if you weren't logged on.[0]

And with every new phone I always power on it without an account, update, reset and only then add an account; I had my share of 'I did disable that thing'

EDIT:

[0] and they claimed what there is not enough storage for it. On a fresh phone with 128Gb on board. For the small array of ~30-100 letters. Fuckers.



Despite also having no desire to have an "AI" phone, this feature is incredibly useful; however hard I try to avoid it, there are organisations who will insist that they contact me by telephone. Luckily it's available on older devices so I can keep my 6a going for another year.



I dislike the bundling of hardware and software alltogether.

In the world of laptops, we have a wonderful situation. I can select the hardware that I like, then wipe the whole disk and install the software I like. Which in my case is a Linux distribution and then exactly the applications I prefer.

I wish the world of phones was like that.



> If Google wanted to actually improve their phones …

… they would enable swapping button order.

… they would remove gestures.

… they would improve OS stability.

… they would add a hardware do not disturb switch.

… they would add hardware camera and microphone switches.

… they would add a headphone jack.

Their phones are still preferable to iPhones, because at least with a Pixel one owns one’s own phone.



Same for me, I feel all those AI assistants are most of the time hit or miss (even though they improved very much in the recent times) + UX is most of the time not that good because of the network latency.

But on the positive side i like the new 9 pro because of its smaller size + hardware improvements (better ultrawide, ultra sonic finger print sensor, 16GB RAM...)



I'm with you that AI is overhyped but your suggested feature is "per app volume mixers" like in Windows? What's the use case on a mobile phone to warrant the extra complexity?



An example I can think of is when you're listening to a podcast or music that has been recorded on low volume. Without a volume mixer you're forced to increase the general volume, resulting in overly 'loud' sound notifications from other apps.



Samsung phones have this, and I use this to play music at a pleasant low volume while watching YouTube videos at a higher volume.

I'm surprised Pixels don't; small things like this area each QoL wins.



The use-case is the exact same one that is on a desktop. System-wide setting for a comfortable max volume, application specific volume because different apps handle audio differently. Youtube videos are loud, voice chat is usually moderate, some recordings are quiet.



Recent Pixels support Android Virtualization Framework, which theoretically allows Linux or Android VMs alongside the primary Android OS. Could be good for experimentation.



Not only are these AI features stuff people don't want, but obviously having a Tensor G4 in the device raises its cost. I'd rather not pay for that.

I have the Pixel "a" devices, and hope they can stay at that price point.



why? AI is very useful in day to day life, and having a phone with on-device capabilities is crazy useful even for those that like their privacy and are paranoid about big corpos stealing their data. I don't see any reason to hate these features.



The dominance of the negativity in these comments is noteworthy. Personally, I thought it was a exciting update with major hardware improvements, some compelling AI demos and use cases at a similar price point as the past. Top tech reviewers e.g. MKBHD has similar impressions.

Mostly just curious as to why there are ~0 positive comments here. I suspect could be:

1) anti-google HN bias - perhaps deserved? 2) it's simply more tempting/satisfying/rewarding to complain about rather than to praise big companies 3) any other ideas?

I'm guessing the 95% negative comment proportion isn't representative though so I was curious if anyone had any explanations for the HN skew



Simple AI fatique I guess? Personally I'm immediately turned off when yet another product announcement mentions AI gimmicks, especially when there's no other features to get excited about. It's like the time when each new TV came with "3D support".



I don't really think there's bias, it's just that HN these days predominately attracts negative ranting comments.

It's not really Google specific either - if you look at any other topic, even Linux or OSS related, there's going to be bunch of highly upvoted people ranting and raving. That pushes out any kind of positive discussion and normal people leave.



I think the internet has become much more toxic these last few years.

I see a lot of resentment and projection in people’s comments.

And most of the time the ,comments are useless and don’t represent the general consumer/citizen opinion.

This is specially true for anonymous profiles



We all know negative content drives more engagement, see: Facebook. But I've also noticed this trend and for me it makes sense seeing as most of the content on the internet nowadays is negative content. Social media is used to belittle and criticize other people/ideas, the news has never been positive, we've passed the stage where content creators that are positive about products are seen as trustworthy, because an overly positive attitude has been linked to a "shill" mindset. We've seen the evolution of big tech from trying to destabilise old/existing industries and giving us a new, improved service to trying to squeeze as much profit out of their users as possible. Other big companies have dominated their competition and have used that power to boost prices, limit access to media, decrease the user experience,... In a lot of ways I feel like the toxicity that we are experiencing online these days is a direct result of noticing all these negative patterns and realising that most of what is being advertised to us has a large chance of being too good to be true. Games that look good pre-release but then get released full of bugs, software that was once a good deal becomes a subscription, series that get cancelled too soon, products that look good on release but have issues not long after without a chance to repair them, companies completely changing their objectives after a CEO change, the list goes on. So instead of trying to be positive and finding ways to get excited about something it is now a "safer" bet to be critical and negative about anything that is being announced because of the cycles of dissapointment we've all been through. At least to me, this makes sense, eventhough I would like to see it be different.



I agree with you assessment but I think it’s a snowball effect as well.

Mental health is notoriously declining and I myself feel the difference when there are days where I don’t touch social media.

I also found that some social media affect me more than others, namely X.

Before the acquisition I remember feeling like I was under an authoritarian regime censoring everything and that made me feel bitter.

After Elon there were short periods where there were no bots, and the algo was actually adapting to me, I didn’t feel bad using it.

But right now its so toxic and full of fear mongering posts, making it unbearable.

I hope society figures this out quickly because AI is only quickening the decline.



I've been wondering if Reddit has always been this cesspool or if I just got older. When I'm logged in it's not too bad because I curated the subreddits, but the default subs it shows me when I'm logged out feel like half the content is angry people complaining about politics and immigrants.



My personal pet theory is that the Internet is aging.

20 yrs ago, most of the Internet users were teenagers and very young adults.

Most of these people are in their late 30s to 40s now. Did new kids join too? Sure! But if you look at the birth rates of our societies, you'll notice that it's a bell curve. Consequently, the average age is going up.

Furthermore, there is a strong selection bias with this demographic: the happier they're, the less likely they're going to be on these platforms, because they'll prioritize family, hobbies or whatever else over ... Well... "shit posting with random strangers".

Ultimately you're left with a significant chunk of people that are often disgruntled, jaded or outright mentally unwell.



It's not really new, even going back there were flame wars and shit-posting on BBSes before the internet was common. It tends to come with relative anonymity.

It takes curated communities in order to overcome. Some places do better than others. It's also all to easy for biases to become policy in some of these communities/sites which can wind up almost worse than the shit posting to begin with.



I guess mostly because the only thing new smartphones offer is faster cpu, more memory (which I don't really need, a 10y old smartphone handle my current load correctly) and a better camera and an always bigger footprint.

The only thing I like is the possible better camera sensors, but that won't make me shed thousands of dollars for it. If I have the choice I'd rather have a more compact model with the camera quality of the previous iteration which was already great.

I can understand it will sell because a lot of people have the feeling they live a crappy life and wants to cheat by taking crappy pictures and videos and have a some magic inventing a better imaginary life that they can share on instagram and tiktok but I am not one of them. If I take a picture, I want to get the moment, with all its imperfections including the sad face of a stranger or dog peeing leg up against a wall in the background.

And yes I understand I am not everyone, but I really don't care what everyone want because I am not the one trying to sell that phone.



> I guess mostly because the only thing new smartphones offer is faster cpu

The next killer-feature in the race to the bottom is probably software, not hardware, and is near realtime translation. Samsung is airing an advert for that right now, but it's not real time.

Better "AI" with a faster CPU and everyone has their own Babel fish.



> which I don't really need, a 10y old smartphone handle my current load correctly

Which phone are you using then? I presume your usage is totally non-representative of the average normal user, but curious nonetheless.



I'm using a Pixel 4a myself, prior to that was a Pixel 2XL and I had about every third Nexus and a few other phones before that as well as a One-Plus phone somewhere in there. My current phone still runs fine, and I'll probably upgrade when the 9a comes out, I do think they're priced more than I would like.

I've tended to like the close to stock experience, but I do turn off all. the assistant features that I can.



I just had a samsung galaxy s6 edge die one me, probably because of heat.

I do the usual stuff, navigation, whatsapp, music, video...except I tend to avoid installing apps when the corresponding website works well (but I still have lots of different apps) and the only social media I am connecting to is the fediverse through the browser.



I was happily using an iPhone 6S (which is very nearly 9 years old) until recently (when I dropped it and smashed the screen). It definitely wasn't as fast as a modern phone (but it honestly wasn't bad), the camera was much worse, and the battery life wasn't as good. But it some ways it was better: it had a fingerprint reader (modern iphones don't), and it was much smaller and lighter.



Out of (genuine) curiosity, what major hardware improvements are you referring to?

On paper, it’s largely the same as prior years for the SoC at least. I think the fold has the most obvious upgrade but nothing I’d consider really major. Other than that, it seems like mostly a camera bump year?



I thought the upgrade to metal/glass + new design looked great which I included in "hardware".

Beyond that https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Pixel-9-vs-Pixel-8... shows:

- Much brighter screen - Next gen tensor chip - 50% ram upgrade - Better camera + battery - SOS functionality - Better ultrasonic fingerprint sensor

Holistically felt like meaningful improvements across the board to me, but I understand where you're coming from. I think maybe I have lower expectations for improvements year to year



Ah, fair. I usually don’t include form factor too much because it’s so subjective.

I think perhaps one of the reasons for the negativity here is that the price is approaching flagship from other companies, but that Tensor G4 performs like chips from four years ago.

I think that overshadows a lot of the improvements. Perhaps if the whole package was significantly cheaper, the reception would be more balanced.



> On paper, it’s largely the same as prior years.

Not even the same. The 9P screen has lower PPI than my 7P, the camera has worse field of view and the battery has lower capacity.



> I just hate modern phones, all of them.

First sentence of the current top voted comment. What's constructive about that?

You could argue the rest of the comment makes up for it, but I don't agree. It reads like a standard negative rant against change to me. I don't see much constructive here.

> I just hate modern phones, all of them. I want an adequate one-hand screen size (~6"), a headphone jack, and an even camera bump (just so it lies flat on the table). I love the pixel 8a, the size, curvature and camera bump seems ideal. Ofc they removed a freaking 3.5mm jack, but I can make a compromise here and buy 100 type-c to 3.5mm adapters, but I'm super disappointed with the new 9x series, they are now even more blocky and square-ish which i really don't like, plus no "a" model which is usually looking much better for me than the main one.

> Does anyone know the phone which is small, has a headphone jack, even camera bump and is still buyable to this day?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41242944



A release of the 9th model of a phone is not "change", the change lies in the past for devices like this. I believe general statements like this increases the cynicism of those that don't really feel invested in the soft- and hardware landscape of current-day smartphones and there is a lot of reason for that in my opinion.

Essentially get the same product with improvements that are only another iteration. The Pixel 9 might be a good device comparatively, but I would be more surprised if people were too hyped about it. The larger context of hype and Google is relevant here as well.

First question I had when hearing about a Google phone is, if they try to make it harder to block advertising. I don't believe the thought is too unreasonable, is it?



> The Pixel 9 might be a good device comparatively, but I would be more surprised if people were too hyped about it.

Would you be surprised if a post about the new iPhone would look like this looks here?



I'm very bullish on genAI, and I bought the new phone, but I really don't think the features shown are that exciting yet. It feels like they're laying the groundwork for more powerful AI to be ready to do things in your phone apps, and the current features are just paving the way.

The killer-app (that isn't porn) is going to be asking your phone to order food and it guesses correctly what you want while cross-checking availability, pricing, and discounts. Then a Waymo or Wing Drone delivers it.



Being able to order food is only useful for those who live in an area where there is food to order. Here in rural Michigan I can count on one hand the number of times I've ordered delivery in the past 3 years.

AI has been totally useless to me in my life. Give me a headphone jack and better SMS spam filtering. No new phone has better features than my Pixel6a and it isn't even that great.



What’s killer about that? I order food once every 2 weeks, I like to browse the different options myself. Almost all the ‘killer’ AI functions are already here: smarter photo retouching, auto-replies, searching, and text summaries with some reading comprehension to ask questions. These things I use daily.

The only thing I’d like is a better integration with ALL actions possible on my phone.



> Top tech reviewers e.g. MKBHD

„Top“ in the sense that a lot of people watch them. Please don’t take seriously what they say. Luise Rossman did an excellent video on marques apple propaganda.



Or people resent the major privacy issues, inconsistent UX, and deprioritization of what they see as needed features, all to add a few hugely hyped but minimally useful AI features.



What qualifies someone as a “top tech reviewer”? It’s a phone for gods sake and some random YouTubers opinion isn’t anymore valid than a random Hackernews commentators opinion.

If we were getting opinions on the latest PhD paper on attention mechanisms than I’d trust someone with a PhD versus a random person, but for getting opinions on the new Google phone? Think for yourself.



Agree with you re: think for yourselves.

Two things:

1. He's held / seen the phone live, I buy online so won't get a chance to before I decide.

2. He's also held hundreds (thousands?) of phones which I haven't.

While he does have preferences that differ from mine, his perspective is still interesting.

>what qualifies them?

19.3m subscribers on yt



Joe Rogan has a lot more subscribers and listeners than this guy, does it mean I should listen to his opinions?

Valuing someone by reach makes no sense at all. Most professors at MIT have no social media reach at all, I still value their opinions extremely highly.

In fact, valuing someone's opinion purely based on the size of their megaphone is partly why we're the world is in such a bad state politically (and in other ways) these days. E.g. people listening to social media influencers opinions on vaccines.



HN has relatively high Graphene OS proportion, and those who use it are those who likely comment here. From Graphene OS user perspective, this does not – on the surface – add much new value. Thus negativity. Other factors ALSO.



> any other ideas?

Call it disappointment I guess. No phone from any manufacturer has felt totally “right” to me in years in the way that phones from a decade ago did. It makes sense from a business perspective since smartphones were effectively complete way back then. The business needs a way to justify selling me a new one so it's been a long slow downhill of shit-I-don't-care-about ever since. I especially miss the era of HTC flagships. HIGH TECH COMPUTER!

The software is disappointing too even though today was not really a software announcement. To me it feels like since they're both from Google the Pixel hardware direction also signals what Android itself will prioritize. I used to be a huge Android-the-OS fan but found that my enjoyment of the platform peaked at 4.2.2 Jelly Bean. Version 4.3 was the first version to remove something I loved (the “Phablet” UI layouts that were great on my Galaxy NoteⅡ). Announcements like today's push that point of Peak Android even further away in my mind, and I'm sad about it.



Yeah, exactly. Phones aren't going in a positive direction at all. What I want is a phone with excellent battery life, a great OLED screen, a great camera, plenty of local storage (and expandable with a microSD card), durable/rugged, and fast enough to feel snappy and not laggy. I don't want AI bullshit, stupid features that tie me to cloud services and help advertisers build profiles of me, can't-delete bloatware, stupid features that spy on me, etc. I also don't want to buy a brand-new $1000 phone every year or two when there's nothing wrong with the old one.



You're describing an iPhone. I've switched from Android to SE2 in 2020, and bought 15 last year on release day to get the type-c charging. I feel it ticks most of your boxes:

* excellent battery life - can't complain about it. I'm not streaming YouTube on 5G on the phone, and I've found out that it can last about two days per charge with light use - messenger apps, phone calls, emails. YMMV of course. * a great OLED screen - it's bright & crisp. I haven't seen a better screen in person yet. * a great camera - it's a very good camera IMO. Takes good shots of people and nature and shoots impressive videos of music shows in dark basements. * durable/rugged - not sure about 15, but my SE2 was abused and dropped. The metal sides were dinged, the screen had a few nasty scratches, but the phone held up together very well. * fast enough to feel snappy and not laggy - iOS is much nicer and snappier that any of the Android phones (HTC Desire S, Galaxy Note II, Xperia Z3, Xiaomi Mi6) I've had. * don't want to buy a brand-new $1000 phone every year or two - I think iPhones do last a few years, given the fact that my wife uses 13 and has zero desire (or reasons, really) to upgrade.

The only requirement the iPhone doesn't fit is the storage - Apple charges an absurd price for storage upgrades on all of their devices. I went with the cheapest option and pay for a large iCloud subscription, and it seems to work well - the photo and file sync between the phone, Macbook & even my Windows machine is seamless and quick.

It also feels nice to give my money to a company that doesn't shove ads down my throat. Apple are not saints, they collect a lot of data and telemetry that I'm not a fan of, but at least they are not a corporation that is built on advertising.



I share this sentiment which is why I'll be passively-aggressively going for a Sony Xperia 5 VI once it launches.

Not because it's particularly great (it's not), but because it's the only somewhat mainstream manufacturer to retain the headphone jack on their flagships as well as microSD card slot.

My only gripe is that it's mostly likely going to be a 180+ gram brick.



It's also roughly a ~month before next iPhone, which is significant. I doubt many people will switch, but getting ahead of hype cycle is probably valuable. Or maybe Apple will see what from Google marketing has not landed and adjust decks accordingly.



I Use Hacker News for technical input.

on an average, HN crowd is pretty clueless about

a) running a profitable business

b) foreseeing technological progress -- say two iterations down the line.

c) mass adoption of features

On an average, they tend to be elitist and don't represent the average brand popularity (e.g Google, Meta, Amazon). They only mildly upvote technology that helps their extremely privileged life.

E.g Current AI / Metaverse features helps plenty of poor, underprivileged people around the world, especially non-english speaking. But HN is the first to mock such features.

Because of this, they tend to be poor individual stock pickers. They are highly risk-averse and typically bring an SRE mentality to the world.



> They only mildly upvote technology that helps their extremely privileged life.

Your bias is heavily US centric. HN is not SF or SV. Plenty of users in Serbia, Nigeria, Argentina, Brazil, Vietnam, in war thorn Ukraine.

Arguably the average user is above average for their area's COL but to claim everyone is swimming in VC money is as dilusion as the people you want to portrait in your comment.



>E.g Current AI / Metaverse features helps plenty of poor, underprivileged people around the world, especially non-english speaking. But HN is the first to mock such features.

AI features in phones from Google are English only or maybe a few languages, even if you know English try to use "AI" to set a route using your voice when the locations are not english words. Sure, some free AIs on the web will help poor people but the best ones are under payment wall and not only that you need a specific way to pay, what I mean for example is Netflix, Steam do not need my credit card, they have alternative ways to pay like PayPal but Google, Microsoft, OpenAI they only allow credit card , so I conclude they do not care for my money they really need that credit card for some reason.



I don't know about the second part, but I fully agree with you on the first part.

Some days HN feels like an echo chamber, where thinking outside the box is heavily downvoted.



I'm glad they finally went this route. I can't be the only one who usually wants the specs of the Pro but always opts for the smallest phone (p1, p3, p5 & now p8).



Pretty much in the same boat here. The P9P is around the same size as my P8 (0.1" shifted from depth to width), which is great news. I would pay more for a better camera, but I care more about compactness than camera quality.



As likely anyone on HN is to hold: I have a bunch of old phones.

How harvest sensors, cams, thingamathings and have a new cadre of people who can build plans to take sensor THING from PHONEA and CAMERA from PHONEB and etc... and build a thing where these already known devices can be harvested and incorporated into projects, products, etc... and not landfil.?



Would have been nice if they did a regular size (5.8”) for normal people and 6.8” for the genetic freaks with dinner plate hands.

6.3” is still huge. 5.8” is workable. And it’s not like there’s no precedent, the Zenfone 10 is also 5.8” and is adored for it.



I long for the days of being able to reach all four corners of my phone screen with one thumb. I had an iPhone 12 mini which was a wonderful respite, but apparently us small phone fans are a small enough demographic to not warrant serving.

What's extra annoying is I never felt the need to use a case when phones were smaller, but one-handed corner reaching upsets the balance of the phone in my hand now to the point where it feels like a necessity—making the phone even bigger and bulkier.



iPhone has this accessibility feature ‘Reachability’ that can help. On the SE you double tap (but not click) the home button, I think on others you swipe up and down quickly from the bottom centre.



I believe that sort of feature got to Android first, and they're still there, but in reality they are no substitute for actual reach. They add cognitive and time overhead to the gesture.



> the Zenfone 10 is also 5.8” and is adored for it.

Then they released the enormous 6.8" Zenfone 11 Ultra this March, with still no indication that there will be a smaller variant. The small Zenfone 10 might not have sold well enough to justify doing another one.



Small display sizes used to mean "cheap phone" for so long that people still won't pay more money for a smaller device.

Not for lack of trying, since both Apple and Samsung tried in 2019 with their mini iPhones and Galaxy S10e respectively which were both smaller versions of their normal phones. Neither line continues today.

Apple has some precedent with their premium iPad Mini which costs more than their normal iPad and gets irregularly updated, but it might be hard to market an "iPhone Mini SE Pro".



> Small display sizes used to mean "cheap phone"

It's actually the opposite - big screens inevitably mean "expensive", and phones are status symbols. Unfortunately, vain people outnumber practical people by various orders of magnitude, so the market goes where the money is.

The only way to correct this trend would be to coopt an inordinate amount of celebrities, and make them advocate for smaller phones. That's the only group that vain people will blindly follow.

I suspect in practice we're stuck with big phones until the phone concept actually manages to disappear entirely (turning into wearables or lenses).



> the Zenfone 10 is also 5.8” and is adored for it

Adoration alone does not pay salaries. At the end of the day the manufacturers are businesses looking to generate as large a profit as possible (some even want to build the best tech possible while doing so), so as much as any of us may adore one feature or another, the only thing that really matters is sales volume and the resulting profits.



Yup. I had a Pixel 4a, which is 5.8". I thought it was a great phone and still perfectly usable, but it stopped getting security updates. I'm now using a Pixel 8. It's fine, but too large and no headphone jack. I'd buy a new Pixel tomorrow if they released a smaller one.



Well, turns out that noone really bought one based on sales numbers of that phone.

Everyone keeps talking about wanting small phones, but when the time to pull the wallet comes, there's always an excuse.



The Pixel and iPhone are really seeming homogenous with each other. The marketing seems similar, typefaces used, the naming conventions are close to the same, the airbrushed image generators, the photos app marketing that's turning your personal photos into a photoshoot with editing capabilities.

On top of that you've got the same earbuds form factor, smart watches, etc.



>> On top of that you've got the same earbuds form factor, smart watches, etc.

You should go watch the Flossy Carter videos he's done on the Pixel watch. Dude has huge arms and the Pixel watch looks like a Barbie watch on his wrist. He normally rocks the Apple Watch Ultra or the Samsung Galaxy watch which look more normal on his wrist.

I think Google has a ways to go before they're competing with Apple and Samsung in the watch department.



So, the pixel watch would be fine on people who don't have huge arms?

Seems like a decent choice, given that the average person has average arms by definition.



I wish we had more than two phone giants. This is aggravating.

Unfortunately due to their market dominance and muddling of (hardware, OS, software distribution, and platform ecosystem), it's almost impossible to disentangle.

It'd be amazing if the DOJ made these companies only offer one slice of those four things. There would be so much competition and a wild variety of new things being tried.



As far as the phone hardware goes, Google isn't much of a giant worldwide: Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei and probably a few more outsell Google. The pixel is downright rare outside of the US.



They don't even sell Pixels in most places, the Pixel 9 series is launching in 32 countries, except the Pixel 9 Fold which is only launching in 19. Believe it or not that's a significant improvement from the Pixel 8 series and first Fold which debuted in only 20 and 4 countries respectively.



This might be misleading. I've got a Japanese model Pixel -- except that I bought it in Chile, from a Chilean supplier. (Had to root and tinker with some hidden partition just to disable the camera shutter sound.)



> Pixels were the best selling android smartphone of 2023 in Japan. It's gained a lot of popularity recently here in Japan.

Whilst true, it's a bit misleading in the sense it's only best selling by a very slim margin. It's iphone and then everything else (by a huge margin).



Also Samsung has been innovating with hardware. I'm not the hugest fan of their flavor of Android but I absolutely love my flip phone and would not consider switching back to iOS or pure Android unless Apple or Google were to make a flip.



> Unfortunately due to their market dominance and muddling of (hardware, OS, software distribution, and platform ecosystem), it's almost impossible to disentangle.

I think it is more complicated, and nuanced, than this.

I have a theory that the world can only support a maximum of 2 consumer computing platforms at a time, due to the cost of writing and porting software. Therefore causing a natural tendency towards either a monopoly (seen in the 90s and early 2000s) or a duopoly (the current smartphone era).

The fact is writing software is expensive. Developing cross platform frameworks is also incredibly difficult and in the case of Mobile, has taken a massive 3rd party entity (Facebook) the better part of a decade (React Native) to get even close to "working well" (with other solutions also being decade long projects). One can argue that during the first decade of Android vs iPhone, (2007 to 2017) that the cross platform solutions were all pretty terrible, thus the massive shakeup that React Native (for all its warts) caused.

Then there is the fact that developing a consumer OS is hard and expensive. Very few companies have the resources needed to make a consumer OS. Not just writing software, but localization, documentation, SDKs, UX work, security, update infrastructure, and so on and so forth.

Honestly I'd say today's current duopoly may even be a bad thing for small software companies, basically doubling development costs. Compare this to the 90s when releasing consumer software just meant compiling for a Microsoft OS and never worrying again because Microsoft handled forwards compatibility for you!

Contrast that to now days where you see applications to control smart appliances apps being discontinued left and right because companies cannot justify keeping 2 dev teams staffed so they can patch an app once every couple years when app store guidelines force changes.



>I have a theory that the world......

Any market that has an extremely high barrier of entry will and ends up only supporting one or two company. ASML and TSMC being a prime example.



I have one counter point for you:

HTML

If we adopted standards instead of making walled gardens, things would work. If the onus was on Apple and Google to make their platforms standards compliant, and that the egg would be on their face if they didn't, they would be the ones doing the rigorous testing, bug fixing, and optimization.

If Microsoft can make their platform work for 20+ years of software, Apple and Google can be on the hook for HTML, WASM, and a standardized UI and hardware abstraction layer.



Yes, but then all apps would be poorly-written webapps in a single-threaded language with a bunch of performance kludges bolted on (like WASM, which STILL inexplicably can't directly edit the DOM).

There's frankly not much of a technical reason why Android phones and iPhones can't run each others' apps except for the malignant IP enforcement of both Google and Apple.

This is a business problem - take away Apple's 30% cut and see how quickly they change their tune on "security."



The video game industry has already solved this problem with engines like Unreal that can compile to PC, Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo. There's certainly no reason why you shouldn't be able to just compile the same phone app from the same IDE to both iOS and Android. I believe the architectures are basically the same but with different operating systems.

There's also no good reason why you should have to distribute your software on iOS through a monopoly app store or why Android should hide the ability to install software from non-Google app stores or the internet behind a scary "security" warning. That "security" warning, while better than what Apple does, is itself a monopolistic practice that should be illegal.



Tangentially related, but I will say that I was pleasantly surprised by how well Airpods (at least the original ones) worked with Android phones.

I got the original Airpods about a year before I switched to iPhone, and they worked pretty much flawlessly with my Galaxy S8+. I assume they missed Siri-specific features (which I don’t care for even after switching to iPhone), and the newer ones probably miss some other more advanced/iOS-specific features (like Apple’s implementation of spatial audio and speech awareness). But all the actual main functionality was there, and I never felt like I was missing out by not using Airpods with iOS.

Apple Watch is a different story though, but it kinda makes sense, given how tightly integrated into iOS it is with quite a bit of private health data (that I would never trust Android with managing properly).



Oddly enough there is an official Android app for Beats headphones, which use the exact same Apple SoCs as AirPods ever since Apple acquired them. They surely could extend that app to work with AirPods too but they've seemingly made the arbitrary decision not to.



That's not exactly true, unfortunately; because Apple's product line-up would be too easy to understand otherwise.

Only the couple of first generations of Beats products after the acquisition have used the Apple-branded SoCs.

The current line-up uses unnamed Beats-specific chip that has ~most (but not all!) of the same features as the W1/W2 on iOS.

From the current line-up, only Powerbeats Pro (2019) and Beats Flex (2020) use Apple branded-chip, and I'm under the impression that the newer models have more Android-specific niceties.

I would expect next refreshes of those Beats model to lose H1/W1/W2.



Why would you want an app for bluetooth headphones.

To change settings and to update the firmware. There are no standards for these operations, so you'd have to resort to an an OEM specific app (stand-alone, or integrated into a the OS, like Mac OS) to manage these.



Would there be competition though? Take the mobile app stores: consumers are going to demand that prices are consistent across storefronts (or preferentially buy from the cheapest option), so that market will inevitably race to the bottom. Is that better for consumers than Apple and Google operating them and demanding a high enough margin to support moderation and review? Or hardware; if Apple was mandated to support Android on their devices, who do you think is going to pay for the additional testing burden? Apple's certainly not going to take it out of their profit margin, they're going to forward the expense down the line, as will everyone else.

You'd be right that there'd be a lot of new ideas floated and a lot of competition, but it's hard to see how that plays out in a way that benefits the consumer and make smart phones a better value. I'm no fan of the duopoly, but it's hard to imagine how forcing them to break their services apart winds up anywhere other than the services becoming noticeably shittier and only like 5% of people bothering to change from the defaults anyway. I also think that the innovation around smartphones has all but died, and if there was some killer innovation to be had, it would probably be worth much more in this market than an open market. The market is harder to make distinctions in than even electric cars are, and a distinguishing innovation would surely trigger a bidding war between Apple and Google at this point.

It's a rough case of what I want philosophically (break them up with great prejudice) and what I think is best for the user experience itself being directly at odds.



>Is that better for consumers than Apple and Google operating them and demanding a high enough margin to support moderation and review?

Do their moderation/review processes meaningfully improve the situation for users?

Both app stores are replete with scam/spam/spy/malware apps. I'm not convinced that the app stores are able to materially affect the quality of apps that go through.



They certainly improve the situation for shareholders. I am banned from the Google app store for making an app which was labeled with the service it interacted with, which was trademarked. (Example: If you make a Reddit app, Google won't let you put "Reddit" anywhere in the label without Reddit's legal permission, making it impossible for anyone to discover your app through search, which is the way people discover apps)



I would rather have a better phone than more options, apple's 800-pound gorilla-ness gets me a phone with:

- an SoC made on TSMC's latest process node, with a humongous die, and all the associated power/performance benefits

- because of how many phones apple can sell, they can divide the cost of R&D over more units, and can design things like their own CPU cores

- "Ask app not to track" that works, because of the app store monopoly

- I don't have to use 12342342345234 payment apps for each bank's credit card, Apple Wallet works with all of them (the EU wants to ruin this for Europeans)

As a consumer, I'm a huge fan of US antitrust law, where the test is harm to consumers



There's that old saying that a benevolent dictatorship is the best and most effective form of government, right up until the dictator dies.

All of the antitrust shit Apple does largely benefits its consumers _for the moment_. It's worth acknowledging that, but it's also worth acknowledging that this is necessarily a temporary state, and under different leadership, Apple will make different decisions.



>- because of how many phones apple can sell, they can divide the cost of R&D over more units, and can design things like their own CPU cores

As if you're benefitting from that with apples margins.



Apple's monopoly margins suck the air out of the innovation manifold, so who actually knows? Maybe we would have cured cancer already or something without the Apple Tax. All that money goes to a whole lot of incrementalism rather than bold new ideas and diversity.



Thanks for highlighting! If anything, based on compare page, it seems that camera setup is closer to previous gen Fold rather than Pixel 9. Barely any changes.



I have a zFlip 5 and love it. I was pretty hesitant about switching (Pixel user before) but I like the smaller size in my pocket when folded and there seems to be a psychological effect of closing it when I'm done that results in my mindlessly fiddling with it less.



My dog sleeps most of the day. I get about 10% of the amount of sleep that he does. I'm fine disturbing his sleep once in a while, especially when he's the one that wakes me up early almost every day. I love my dog, but his comfort comes second to mine.



Pixel 9 also says satellite emergency support ("Satellite SOS"). Search for info gets you to https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/15254448?hl=en&...

It looks like it's coming "later this year". Lots of chatter about it, see a few details at https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-9-satellite-sos-34676...

* apparently coming with android 15, but they are shipping android 14

* turning on satellite sos later, but this year

* us only

* free for 2 years on pixel 9 phone, but probably would cost more later?

If you go on a lot of backcountry trips, maybe you already have something like a Garmin device with paid in-reach service with texting and emergency service button - no voice support. I have this, it works well. You can do 2 way texting, also you can have your location uploaded as you travel if you wish.



TBF that’s what Apple did, basically.

It wasn’t in the initial release. Needed a software update 2 months later or so.

You were only supposed to get 1 year (?) of service. But they extended that by a year.

Because of that everyone with a qualifying phone is still in the “free” stage so we still don’t know what it will cost. Or when that will start.

If ever.

I’ve never used it but I like that my iPhone has it. I would never carry a Garmin (city/suburb life, no point) but I know the satellite is there if needed.

I think Apple is expanding it to iMessage this year (text only) though for all we know that will cost extra.



It's doubtful they'll ever charge for SOS. The "one year, one more year" thing is likely to make the accounting and liability work out. If they had just said "free for the life of the phone" it would have locked them into providing the service for many years, and required revenue deferral for many years. Easier to just under-promise.



That’s kind of what I expect. It will simply be free forever but maybe the other services that they might add in the future, such as iMessage over satellite, will cost extra.

“A man got lost in the woods and died because he didn’t pay Apple two dollars a month“ is probably not a headline they want to see.

It’s also possible they didn’t know how often it would end up getting used and so they said that is a hedge in case it ended up too expensive on their end. Now that they know it’s not they don’t really worry about it.



I mean they they don't have to choose between "100% free forever" and "not free and literally kill the people who didn't pay in advance."

They could just leave it enabled for everyone, and then retroactively charge them for a (moderately hefty) 1 year subscription if they end up using it.



Charging a fee for using it is a bad idea because then people will delay using it until it's too late.

That's why in New Zealand, at least, there is no fee for a rescue callouts in general.



I just used iMessage via satellite on the iOS public beta this past weekend. I forgot it even existed. The phone prompted me to update my location for "Find My" via Satellite, which I've done before. So I accepted, and got a screen that gave me the option of sending iMessage via satellite to. Sent one to a friend as a test. It's a pretty cool UI. It shows "Satellite" as the message type when writing messages, as you might see "SMS" or "iMessage" or "RCS". And then when you're in iMessage and connected, the dynamic island shows a green indicator. When not connected, the dynamic island is larger and shows you which way to turn to reconnect to satellite; presumably if you want to see if there are replies to your message, or whatever.



> You were only supposed to get 1 year (?) of service. But they extended that by a year.

I suspect they wanted to gauge what the usage (and therefore cost to them) would be like before making any promises.

I would not be surprised if satellite messaging ends up costing after the first year, but that satellite SOS remains free forever. After all, who wants the reputation hit when someone ends up dying in the wilderness because they didn't keep up their satellite payments?



Even if you managed to charge people (or their SAR insurances) tens of thousands of dollars per rescue, I'm not sure that would entirely pay for running such a service.

But I suspect their actual business model will be to charge for non-emergency messaging, which might just be able to subsidize the emergency use case.



Are there cases of people actually being charged for their backcountry rescues? I know it's theoretically allowed many places but I'm not aware of anyone actually being billed.

Generally, SAR teams would rather the R continue to stand for Rescue rather than Recovery (of a body).



As soon as SAR involves a helicopter, I remember hearing you're looking at a hefty bill in many places, even if the SAR teams themselves don't charge anything. (Not sure why/how that is the case – maybe the helicopter is often operated by a for-profit company, essentially taking the SAR crew as passenger?)



As someone who’s been rescued via helicopter, I can state at least in my case there wasn’t a large bill. The only thing I was charged for was the out of network ER visit.



Yeah, I'd imagine the helicopter is where the big expense lies and those are mostly private hires. The SAR teams around me are first responders already on duty or volunteers. They still have expenses when launching a mission but driving a dozen people to a trailhead is cheaper than a chopper.



They could.

But “iPhone saves man’s life after he fell down a mountain” sounds a whole lot better than “worlds richest company charges man who nearly died $25 to save his life”.



When you're in SOS mode, you can use the satellite connection to manually update your location—separate of the emergency response service—so anyone who you've chosen to share that with can see it, as well as in Find My. I'm often out of cell service in the mountains and will usually push the location once I'm in the general area I plan to be for a while.



Oh that’s right. That’s the other thing you can do. I’d forgotten that.

Thanks.

While I never needed the satellite SOS it’s fun that there is a demo in settings that shows you how to find the satellite and everything just as if you used the feature for real.



Plus Garmin devices use the Iridium network which has truly global coverage (as opposed to Globalstar which is only in select areas of the world) as well as other features useful for non-emergency backcountry travel. I won't be dropping my Garmin InReach any time soon.



Correct. Globalstar is a "bent pipe analog repeater" network. They have ground gateway stations that provide connectivity from their satellites to the public switched telephone network and internet. In order for your handheld to work, you need a satellite in view and that satellite must have a ground gateway station in view. Iridium doesn't have that latter requirement. I won't be getting rid of my InReach Mini anytime soon.



On the other hand, that "bent pipe" nature is what allowed Globalstar to support a (presumably) completely new type of protocol and modulation over existing, decades-old satellites!

Apple has also been adding new ground stations as part of their agreement with Globalstar, which has, among other things, added coverage to Hawaii. I'm pretty sure they have much larger plans for this than just emergency texting.



I do a lot of solo hiking and use a Garmin with InReach in case of emergency and to reassure my wife, it can also send my position every N minutes (I usually set it for 20 when on the trails in an area with limited or no cell phone coverage). I wouldn't mind if similar functionality becomes common on cell phones.



I know someone on our local SAR team that had mentioned they were having issues with folks using the Apple devices for SOS that resulted in long delays. This is for coastal British Columbia, so perhaps not a universal experience - but something to keep in mind.

Personally, I'd stick with the better known option, and like another commenter said - the battery life on the Garmins are pretty amazing, and it doesn't weight much.



And I rather depend on a PLB, whose signal can be picked up by an international network of receivers on 406MHz, and even transmits a homing beacon for first responders.

No subscription required either. You simply register the beacon with a government agency (in the US, its via the NOAA, and distress signals are handled by the coast guard or air force receivers)



That's Google for you. I bought Pixel 8 Pro when it came out, after I had Samsung (never was into iPhone, my wife has those though). I regretted pretty much right away. Heavy AF compared to Galaxy, cool features US-locked, EU means nothing to that company since it looked like they haven't even applied for licenses for cool shit in EU - had to fake my SIM to be in US just to unlock thermometer etc.. I will not buy any device from them anytime soon.



> had to fake my SIM to be in US just to unlock thermometer

IIRC that's also available in some EU countries, the issue in this specific case isn't google but the fact that devices which could be construed to offer medical info tend to require certification varying by country



you're right, the issue being google hasn't even applied for certification. Aside from that, try buying anything google hardware outside of select core market. Somehow, Samsung and Apple (and a ton of smaller players) are able to have global availability with no issues.



Apple was able to make it work in most "developed" countries (do we have a better term for these countries now?). I guess they're just better at the regulatory game?



Google presumably uses Skylo, and that's only available in some regions.

I believe they currently only use Terrestar-1 and Terrestar-2, with Inmarsat to follow some time this year for almost global coverage.

Terrestar-1 covers the lower 48 US states with one spot beam, and Alaska and Hawaii with another one each, but I believe the latter two ones are relatively new, so maybe Google isn't using these yet?

I suspect this because I've used a Motorola Defy Satellite Link for the past year, which uses IoT-NTN just like the Pixel's baseband, and it's only been available in Europe and the lower 48 at launch (i.e. also with Hawaii and Alaska missing).

[1] https://www.satbeams.com/satellites?norad=35496



It's available in 17 countries so far. That's a long shot from "all developed countries" by most metrics.

And this really does seem to be largely due to regulations (and probably also integration with local emergency services), as there is no geographic pattern to availability.



How much is the subscription for the Garmin device? I'm curious because I bought my parents a personal locator beacon, since they are retired and hike constantly. It costs more up front but has no subscription, and I didn't want to gift something with a high recurring cost. There's no communication option, it's all or nothing - if it's activated they send the helicopters. On the plus side, it has a fixed 7 year battery life, so no need to worry about charging or it dying when you need it (if you remember the expiration date). I'm curious what Google will charge for their SOS feature and how it will compare to PLV or a satellite communicator.



One thing to bear in mind is that the iPhone based satellite connection is highly directional, meaning whoever is using it needs to be conscious and able to follow the on-screen instructions to align the phone with a certain point in the sky (within a few angular degrees.)

Whereas, in contrast, the Garmin inReach devices need "only" a clear sky view.



It's not cheap, about $12/month is cheapest plan, https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/837461. Pay 0.10c for tracking points, you have 10 text messages a month.

If you use it a lot, you'll start to increase your fees, I'm on the next higher plan which I think is $35/m. I should revisit that, it's a lot over a year ;-)

They have the basic devices (connect with phone, or emergency button), I have the one with maps built in. That one is awesome, it has worldwide city and trail maps. Maps works without a subscription, but I do use it for trips where there is no phone service more to get text messages.



They also charge you for time spent with service suspended. We finally canceled ours when my wife got an iphone with satellite SOS - it was pretty expensive for something we would typically use (activate, not actually use - we've never had to SOS) one or two months per year.



PLBs are not all or nothing.

You are supposed to register it with the local government org. In the US, that is the NOAA. When the PLB activates, the receiver which is either the Coast Guard or Air Force will attempt to contact you before they send the distress call to whatever local S&R there is. Obviously if they can't reach you, they will send help anyway.



What's going to be more interesting is what hardware is added for this, and what it can be made to do other than this service that's obviously part of Google Play Services. Can it be made useful in some way on AOSP?



Google really needs to improve the core offering of what a phone is supposed to provide instead of using half baked AI as a selling point.

I have been using Pixel 7 for almost the past 2 years. But the amount of basic core issues are crazy. Recently,since the July update, every place where the phone cannot catch network signal, it shutdowns. And with the update, somehow i feel it cannot catch network signal as strongly. That is such a crazy thing. Last year, my friend got locked out of all his valuable pictures with Android 14 upgrade on Pixel 6.

My experience of Google is so bad with hardware that it has finally pushed me towards buying an iPhone for the very first time in my life after having been exclusive with Android OS for over 10 years.



I had the Pixel 6 Pro and everything was amazing... except for signal and battery. Which are two of the most important things in a phone.

The battery was quite bad from the very beginning, barely lasting a day of normal usage, but I thought "well, at least they seem to have taken lots of care to avoid battery aging - slower charging than other phones, intelligent charging speed, etc. - so it won't degrade much". Two years later it wasn't even making it to 6 PM, or 3-4 PM on heavy use days (such as trips). OTOH my previous phone (Huawei P30 Pro), with much faster charge and no "intelligent" anything, still has amazing battery after more than 5 years of use (now in my wife's hands).

That was my first and last Pixel. A pity because the software was amazing, but that's no use if you operate under constant battery anxiety and can't even use Google Maps and camera on a trip without spending hours charging at the hotel.



I'm using a Pixel 4a, it does everything I need well. I upgraded from the Pixel 2 only when it started malfunctioning. I plan to buy a newer pixel when I can no longer use this one, but I'm concerned they're not being made to last through a few of Google's frequent release cycles. Seems to be a problem with most manufacturers. I just want something durable and stable



My Pixel 6 and Pixel 8 have worked remarkably badly as cellular devices. I may well not re-up. The last straw is the aggressive Doze mode. Notifications regularly come in very late, 30+ minutes or more.



Especially frustrating because they've tuned that to try to improve battery life, rather than fixing what causes poor performance (battery life) in the first place.



I've had a similar sentiments with Google hardware and nearly every device I've purchased, including several generations of phones and a Google Home Hub, had to be returned at least once. This has left me with a less-than-favorable impression of Google's hardware quality. Given that I don't see much need for premium phones these days (I don't play games on my phone and am unsure about the value of AI editing features), I'm inclined to wait and explore midrange alternatives as they become available. (and not going for iPhone myself...)



I don't even know where my phone icon is(don't even remember the last time I used it), but I just searched for phone tapped the phone app and it launched instantly. So it's probably something unique to your phone. I suggest you wander it into Apple and see if they can fix it.

As for customization, that's sort of Apple's main feature set: It will always work the same everywhere on every device.



>I can't customise basic things and the Phone app (you know, the main use of a phone) takes 30s to open

I can't even remember the last time I used the actual voice calling function on my phone. It's probably been a couple of years now.



As much as I want to agree with you, saying the main purpose of a smartphone is to make calls is like saying the main purpose of amazon is to sell books. Only in the beginning was it so



> the main use of a phone

While the phone app remains important for some, it’s no longer the primary means of communication for most folks, especially with the rise of messaging apps and social media.



that seems like a hardware failure or perhaps you have too many contacts in your phone book? For 'fun' I created 50k iCloud contacts and it broke my account / phone. I had to call apple support to delete them.



I like how just in this thread you can see the way marketing leaves a permanent mark on its customers.

Your comment is one of few where people report unrelated problems with their Google Phone. Different versions, different problems, no problems, all kinds of things. Open talk.

You've however brought up an Apple device and the comments under your comment are all Apple customers telling you that you either don't use your device properly since using your phone as a phone is "no longer the primary means of communication" or that it might be your fault (perhaps you have too many contacts in your phone book).

So while problems with the Google device are something normal, problems with the Apple device seem to be something extraordinary.



Pixel 8 Pro has been fairly solid. Some occasional battery life issues at first and some flakiness in recognizing the charging cable but otherwise it's the best Pixel since.. Idk.. the 5 or before.



I'll also vote for this. It worked great for stock operation including things like Android Auto. I had to switch back due to a need for some BS Microsoft software for teams that needs to pass safety net which my work uses for paging.

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