One relatively simple thing we're missing on the Swedish cloud market is someone offering OIDC SSO, Chat, Video meetings, e-mail, calendar and file sharing.

I can't even say which European company offers this, Proton maybe?

Being a long time open source advocate I think it can be done, but system integration would never be as good as MS or Google.

I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.

My problem is that I do not want to replace one centralilzed service with another. I do not see any difference between the US and the EU (or Australia) in handling privacy. Most politicians are super keen on destroying privacy for people, for the "good cause". There are so many examples of this I lost count. We need strong encryption and true peer-to-peer networks where the connection is going through random routes (impossible to predict) and there is no government controll of any of the nodes it touches.

Perfect is the enemy of good. The EU has it's flaws, but if you can't see the difference between the US privacy climate and the EU privacy climate then you need a reality check.

I moved my side project websites off of US VPS providers to an old MacBook Air 2015 I had lying around.

Since you are switching anyways you could try to adopt local first and that way you make sure you don't have yet another cloud dependency ie political dependency.

I moved from GitHub to self-hosted gitolite. I use a (standard) Makefile in each repo, which my deploy job runs (make test, make build, etc). I use githooks to do various automation.

It's really not that much different to GH Actions, and not more work. But it's much faster, and easier to work with.

If you're working in a team, then PRs are hard to replace.

My company is looking into a move from GitLab to https://forgejo.org (Codeberg, essentially). Seems way easier to self host. Seems fine so much for all my team's needs.

Yeah, we've been using gitea for five years, and from administrator's point of view it's one of the easiest things to self host. Updates can happen automatically and require very little downtime, and it's light on server resources.

In comparison, Gitlab was a massive pain and became close to unusable on that same server before we migrated to gitea, even though Gitlab was used just for code hosting, and gitea is used for everything it supports (container image and package repositories, issues, etc).

This looks interesting, I have self hosted gitlab but it is so slow and I don't need most of the features it offers. Thanks for sharing!

what advantage does gitlolite over gitea? If i wanted to replace GitHub my intuition would be to replace it with gitea. It seems to have similar interface, pull requests, workers etc to gh.

For code review and merge workflow gerrit used to be good a decade ago, it's probably good today, too. Github PRs are strictly worse today than what I remember from gerrit back then.

What drew you to gitolite over alternatives (e.g., Forgejo)?

Why not gitea?

When I started in tech, Freedom was key. You put a value in your freedom to run and modify your code.

Over time that has not only regressed to just free to run, but not even that - you have to have permission to run your stuff

It’s easier to be a vassal. I won’t say good luck though. Live in favour of the king and you’ll be fine. Until the king does something and you get to kiss his ring.

I wonder if shifting to cloud providers in the EU will lead to the rise of giant European cloud companies in both technology and infrastructure, or if this is just a short-term trend.

I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff.

But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. That leaves AWS and Azure as strong options.

There's a number of European cloud providers (https://www.stackit.de looks especially interesting), but I'm looking for too-big-to-fail options. Hetzner sure is that, but you don't get managed relational databases, object storage and a couple of other things that typical web apps rely on.

I know I can host stuff like Postgres and MinIO myself on Hetzner cloud instances. But when it comes to _managed_ services for this stuff, from a too-big-too-fail provider, I'm drawing a blank when it comes to European providers right now.

There isn't even a short-term trend. We saw posts like this a few years ago (in the blog post even admits he tried this before) and they went nowhere, just like this "movement" will.

I mean, let’s divide it into before and after the Trump era. Will we see the same trend once the new sheriff in town steps down for peace?