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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43434093

这篇 Hacker News 帖子讨论了一篇 2015 年关于管理人员、总监和副总裁职业发展的文章。 一位名为“n4r9”的评论者质疑了对级别系统的批评,认为透明的、基于技能的加薪方式优于奖励那些“强势和精明”而非真正有价值的员工。 几条评论谈到了文章中关于薪酬和市场价值的观点。“darkwater”认为,即使是由于市场力量导致的不同职位获得相同薪酬,也令人非常恼火。“irjustin”反驳道,作者使用了“公平市场价值”的定义,即市场愿意支付的价格。 “A4ET8a8uTh0_v2”总体上同意这篇文章。“apwell23”强烈反对文章对副总裁和总监的定义,认为晋升是基于信任和人际交往能力,而不是计划或执行。他们强调建立信任和交付成果是职业发展的关键。


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Career Development: What It Means to Be a Manager, Director, or VP (2015) (kellblog.com)
41 points by AnhTho_FR 40 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 6 comments










> [Leveling] conflates career development and salary negotiation. It encourages a mindset of saying, “what must I do to make L10” when you want to say, “I want a $10K raise.”

It's not obvious to me why this is a bad thing. I agree that incentivising a box-ticking mindset discourages ownership and initiative. But for software engineers I feel like there has to be some methodical (and transparent) way for raises to be assigned, and for it to relate to skills and traits. Otherwise you can easily end up in a situation where people are rewarded for being bolshy and savvy rather than valuable to the company.

Am I missing something here?



> “It’s like saying with $3.65 I can buy either a grande non-fat latte or a head of organic lettuce”

Ah, 2015.



> Yes, you might discover that a Senior FPA Analyst II earns the same as a Product Marketing Director I, but why does that matter? It’s a coincidence. It’s like saying with $3.65 I can buy either a grande non-fat latte or a head of organic lettuce. What matters is the fair price of each of those goods in the market — not they that happen to have the same price.

Well, it infuriates me just the same. If a coffee shot costs the same or more that some other food that is healthy and gives you more calories and/or nutrients. And I say this as a coffee lover.

But beside specific examples nitpicking, I understand the gist of it, and I understand the market reasons - you want to attract or retain talent and they/we look at compensations on a market level - but this still doesn't mean it is fair. Unless you believe in fairy tales and invisible hands.



> but this still doesn't mean it is fair

You're trying to change which definition of fair is being used.

It's fair in that it's "fair market value" because that's what the market is willing to pay.

That's clearly the version the author is using given the example.



It is a good read. It is early so I can't help wondering if I am nodding, because it hits close to home or coffee did not hit yet, but I think I agree with the author here.


i don't agree with any of these definitions. From my experience VPs and directors are so far removed from any actual work that most of their "plans" mean very little. Things get done not because of their "plans" but despite of them.

In terms of career development. Ppl aren't promoted for their ability to make "plans" or execute them. Ppl are promoted into those promotions for being trustworthy by ppl above them .

To get to that position, you should be

1. be people oriented. Genuinely like ppl around you from your heart ( not fake it) . Take the first step and build genuine love for your colleagues.

2. consistenly deliver results and become the person that can be trusted by person that gave you the assignment. Building trust is the main job when you go work. Its not writing some badass code or being innovating or whatever.







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