What's Happening to Students?

juunpp · 2025-03-25T22:48:10 1742942890

Phones should be banned in school. Really that simple. No serious school/parent that cares about the kids' education would allow phones.

healsdata · 2025-03-25T22:51:45 1742943105

There's a recent article that basically sums it up as the parents being the ones pushing back against the bans, not teachers or students.

> "Mommy and Daddy were checking in all day long saying, 'I miss you and can’t wait to see you,'" Hochul told the NYT. "That’s a parental need, not a student need."

https://futurism.com/school-phone-bans-parents

jarjoura · 2025-03-25T22:53:50 1742943230

Isn't the article suggesting that because students do not have access to their phones during the school day, they are suffering withdrawl?

I'm interpreting the message that students should not have a phone at all or at least in limited capacity.

healsdata · 2025-03-25T23:02:22 1742943742

The linked article is clearly sensationalist and focuses on "experts" who are trying to make their career off this "crisis" (I expect they all have books lined up and speaking engagements).

Meanwhile "As the New York Times reports, schools where smart devices have been partially or fully banned during instructional hours have seen incredible increases in student attentiveness and communication."

As much as their opinion page sucks, I'm much more inclined to go with the reporting in the New York Times instead of someone who says "zombie apologists" in all sincerity.

codybontecou · 2025-03-25T22:52:07 1742943127

They tend to be. One of the issues is the dopamine withdrawals they experience while away from their phone:

"First of all the kids have no ability to be bored whatsoever. They live on their phones. And they’re just fed a constant stream of dopamine from the minute their eyes wake up in the morning until they go to sleep at night.

Because they are in a constant state of dopamine withdrawal at school, they behave like addicts. They’re super emotional. The smallest things set them off."

supportengineer · 2025-03-25T22:47:56 1742942876

I'm in my 50's and looking forward, I just don't see anything good in the future for this world.

Probably people have felt this way throughout all of history but this time seems different.

sarreph · 2025-03-25T22:50:58 1742943058

> Probably people have felt this way throughout all of history but this time seems different.

In my 30s and I make a habit of asking people in the generations above me if they felt the same when they were younger / my age. As in, did things always seem this futile, clogged, and broken?

The answer is always "no".

HideousKojima · 2025-03-25T23:00:18 1742943618

>Probably people have felt this way throughout all of history but this time seems different.

You're assuming that people in the past were wrong when they felt that way. People love to bring up Socrates being charged with "corrupting the youth" in 399 BC but always seem to forget that Athens was conquered by the more rural, agrarian, and presumably more socially conservative Macedonians 60 years later.

hibikir · 2025-03-25T22:58:30 1742943510

What we are seeing with students is that it's harder to get them to do work if they are demotivated, but that there's so many more tools for them to learn quickly and effectively when they are. Yes, LLMs can be used to cheat on an assignment, but they can also be used to get instant feedback and reasonably good advice when the teacher might bring judgement.

This has always been the issue of the internet: It's good at giving us what we want. It's just that many times, what we want is really bad for us. The same tool that finds friends that share a hobby is the same whether the hobby is building gundams or participating in conspiracy thinking.

So what I expect we'll see is outcome divergence. For some people it's a great boon. For others, the worst thing we could have done for them. What made someone successful in the 1980s might be very different in the 2030s

jjgreen · 2025-03-25T22:31:55 1742941915

Everyone with a mobile is dead inside. Dead. Inside. But it's not so bad, they don't want to bite you, and there are a few living still out there; I reckon a couple of thousand in London. We recognise each-other and give a nod or a raise of the eyebrow, then back into the crowds of the undead stumbling along doom-scrolling celebrity's dinners or whatever the fuck it is they find so compelling ...

healsdata · 2025-03-25T22:58:17 1742943497

Reductionist statement is reductionist.

I'm sure that Jasleen Kaur, Kendrick Lamar, and Bethany Baptiste all have mobile phones, and yet, they were all recognized as top creators in 2024. Plenty of people with jobs they hate were dead inside long before mobile phones were invented -- they were addicted to alcohol instead. People levied the same complaints you're making about newspapers and books.

Instead of painting any technology or distraction with a broad brush, it's best to focus on the potential harms and find out who's most impacted. We can help those folks better if we don't just demonize their vice across the board.

Handprint4469 · 2025-03-25T22:44:40 1742942680

Everyone with an imagination is dead inside. Dead. Inside. But it's not so bad, they don't want to bite you, and there are a few living still out there; I reckon a couple of thousand in London. We recognise each-other and give a nod or a raise of the eyebrow, then back into the crowds of the undead stumbling along daydreaming about celebrity's dinners or whatever the fuck it is they find so compelling ...

yakcyll · 2025-03-25T22:49:54 1742942994

There is a very big difference between engaging with your own stream of consciousness and being spoon-fed stimuli without any effortful engagement. While I get the sentiment that the parent comment may be snarkily over-generalizing (for the record, I don't think that it does), this retort doesn't land at all.

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