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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43488916

Hacker News 上的一个帖子讨论了土耳其公民、塔夫茨大学研究生鲁梅萨·奥兹图尔克被美国国土安全部(DHS)拘留一事。国土安全部声称奥兹图尔克参与了支持哈马斯(一个外国恐怖组织)的活动,以此为由取消了她的签证。 评论者对缺乏正当程序表示担忧,他们主张通过法律程序而不是由蒙面警官绑架来解决此事。一些人指出,政府根据与“不良组织”的微弱联系驱逐个人的模式。另一些人则质疑国土安全部关于奥兹图尔克支持哈马斯的 claims,并指出典型的亲巴勒斯坦活动家会避免此类支持。 该帖子提到了奥兹图尔克在塔夫茨大学学生报上共同撰写的一篇评论文章,文章批评了该大学对承认巴勒斯坦种族灭绝和撤资与以色列相关的公司的要求的回应。评论员认为文章中没有明确支持哈马斯的内容,并将此次逮捕视为对言论自由的攻击。人们还担心是谁在决定打击目标以及根据什么标准来决定。


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Federal Government Detains International Student at Tufts (nytimes.com)
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Her crime is expressing an opinion. I am no Hamas supporter, but writing an opinion essay supporting Hamas seems like it would be allowed by the 1st amendment, regardless of the immigration status of the opinion writer.

In a statement to ABC News, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said: "Rumeysa Ozturk is a Turkish national and Tufts University graduate student, granted the privilege to be in this country on a visa. DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is commonsense security."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-phd-student-visa-arrested-im...



Also, anything of this sort should go through the legal system first. She’s not Bin Laden, there’s no movie-plot bomb with a countdown timer, they should be expected to file charges and allow her to confront the evidence rather than abducting her with a bunch of masked officers who aren’t even in uniform.


Much like the prior kidnappings [1] [2], the prevailing argument seems to be that as long as the government can draw the thinnest, most tenuous of lines between you and Bad Group it's grounds for the government to bag and deport people even against court orders.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43314700

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43381043



Typically pro-Palestinian student activists in the US go to lengths to not support Hamas and generally have multiple statements to that end.

To date, to the best of my searching, the DHS claims have not been backed up.

  In a statement to the Guardian, a DHS spokesperson said on Wednesday that Ozturk was “granted the privilege to be in this country on a visa” and, without supplying any proof, accused her of supporting Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza and led the attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, prompting a massive military response from Israel.
~ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/26/ice-agents-d...


You mean like CUAD pushing for "the eradication of Western Civilization"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-pal...



I say what I mean and prefer that others not strawman my comments.

"Typically" does not mean "always".

That's an understandable mistake on your part if english is your second or third language.





I am interested in the mechanistic approach which would drive the interventions by the feds.

* are people suggesting targets? who would that be? is this organized online somewhere?

* is there a 'u-tip' number people can dial anonymously?

* is this based on some metric over feed analysis, and smart tools so there's a threshold test in software and a priority list which is run as a join over immigration status?

I'm not asking people to break OPSEC, this is in the spirit of "how exactly did Hollerith cards help the bad people do the information processing" of past times.



I should add, posting to HN very probably now adds to a net-negative score coming in through USCBP. Thats sad.


are people suggesting targets? who would that be? is this organized online somewhere?

Betar US: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/25/what-is-betar-us-th...

I've read at least one other article a week or two ago that I'm sure mentioned a different group, but can't recall it well enough, could well have been Betar US as well.



Stephen Miller is credited with shaping Trump's immigration policies and known for his hardline stance on immigration. I suspect he has staff dedicated to identifying people to target.


Here's her essay:

https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

The op-ed criticizes Tufts University’s dismissal of three resolutions passed by the Tufts Community Union Senate, which demand the university recognize alleged genocide in Palestine, divest from companies tied to Israel, and disclose its investments.

No support for Hamas that I can see.





This student was ambushed and arrested... for the crime of being one of several authors of an opinion essay published last March in the Tufts student newspaper. The essay criticized university leaders for their response to demands that Tufts “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide” and divest itself from companies with ties to Israel.


Given the amount of firearms in the USA and stand your ground laws, it seems like being a masked, unidentified kidnapper would be dangerous.




I gave 10 years of my life to this country in military service. This is not what I was defending. This is so wrong and gross. And dangerous.






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