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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43593840

Hacker News 的讨论集中在猛犸象复活的伦理和影响上,起因是《Ars Technica》的一篇文章批评其为糟糕的物种保护。评论者们就该项目的理由展开了辩论,认为它主要受其“酷炫”因素以及旅游业和灵感带来的潜在经济利益驱动,而非真正的生态恢复。他们承认任何干预措施都存在固有的“成本”,并质疑它是否比现有的问题(如养牛或灭蚊)更糟糕。讨论中提出了一个更广泛的哲学困境:物种保护的目标是保护现在,恢复过去的状态(前工业/农业时代),还是建立一个能够抵御气候变化的新生态系统?讨论强调,在生物多样性加速丧失的世界中,缺乏明确的伦理框架来指导此类干预措施。

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Mammoth de-extinction is bad conservation (arstechnica.com)
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Sure; but so is pretty much anything we do with animals.

Is it worse than the cattle industry? Worse than re-introducing wolves to Yellowstone? Worse than engineering mosquitoes to be sterile? They all have their cost.

This cost is measured in African elephant abuse. A sound argument. The ecosystem argument, not so much as they also elaborate competently on.

Let's admit, the single reason to 'bring back' the Mammoth is, it's cool and a tremendous publicity scheme for ecological efforts. That alone, may be reason enough.

And, anything that brings in the dollars is going to happen. Argue all you want, about ecology and seed dispersal and other 'real' effects. The money a Mammoth park would bring, the imaginations stimulated and the youth inspired, could be worth it all on it's own.



Arguably, the only good conservation involves removing all humans forever. Given how that’s not a workable or good idea (from a self-preservation perspective) everything else is open to interpretation.

(Not an argument for maximalist interpretations)



What is bad about engineering mosquitos to be sterile?


The conservation biology world has some interesting philosophical problems to wrestle with.

On one hand, despite the best efforts, biodiversity loss is accelerating. We're losing habitats and species faster than earth has seen in 60 million years. Ecosystems are so degraded that they require intervention.

On the other hand, what sort of intervention is appropriate? Are we trying to conserve things as is today, or restore to a vision of the pre-industrial landscale, or the pre-agricultural landscape? Or do we try to build a new ecosystem to handle anticipated climate shifts? Do we introduce new species? Do we focus on all biomass, just flora or fauna, insects, fungi too? Do we bring back extinct keystone species like the mammoth?

There is no ethical compass that can tell us the "right" intervention.







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