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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43578348

Hacker News上的一篇文章讨论了一种鲜红色阻燃剂的成分。文章揭示了其中含有重金属,引发了关于其安全性的争论。一个用户声称这种阻燃剂很危险。另一个用户指出,经过少量稀释后,检测到的重金属浓度,特别是镉和铬,接近可接受水平。铅的含量差异很大,表明采样不可靠。砷被认为令人担忧,其含量是饮用水安全限值的10到60倍。另一个用户质疑这些金属含量是否真的令人担忧,因为所有含量都低于1ppm。一位评论者批评了这篇文章的语气,认为它不必要地轻视消防员,并转移了核心信息。

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What's in that bright red fire retardant? No one will say, so we had it tested (laist.com)
27 points by littlexsparkee 6 hours ago | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments










Fire retardant itself is much more harmful than heavy metals in this context.

It essentially causes neurodegenerative diseases, especially if you inhale it.

This applies to unintuitive routes of exposure, like taking a hot shower on an Air Force base that used flame retardant in fire drills decades prior and breathing in the water suspended in air.



> Fire retardant itself is much more harmful than heavy metals in this context.

I haven't found any studies about that, can you link them? It doesn't look like ammonium phosphate is dangerous.



It's ammonia phosphates with trace amounts of heavy metals.


Great investigative reporting!


So the article contains the data for the detected concentration. And it's basically a nothingburger.

For example, the samples contained 37 to 80 micrograms per liter of cadmium. The safety limit for _drinking_ _water_ is 5 micrograms. So diluting the retardant with 10 times the water makes it safe enough to drink.

Lead content in the samples was wildly different, from 7 micrograms to 800, indicating that the sampling procedure itself was unreliable.

Similar story for chromium, 100 micrograms is the safe level, and 200-300 micrograms were in the tested samples.

In fact, only arsenic is concerning, with roughly 10-60 times the allowed concentration for the drinking water.



All the heavy metals were below 1ppm, are any of the levels concerning?


In case there's some natural accumulation process, the concentration can reach any levels, so absolute quantity might (or might not) matter as well.


Why do they always have to baby firefighters? "don't eat the red powder"

Like they were going to!

Appeals to vague cliches only waste the readers' time and distract from the core message. It leaves the reading wondering if this is just fanning the flame of outrage at faceless corporations. Is that what you want your readers wasting their mental energy on? Was that the intent of the people who trecked out to retrieve the powder, bring it back to a lab and analyze it?



Breathing? That's not listed as a benefit in your job description!

Makes me think of the 9/11 first responders, and Jon Stewart fighting politicians who want to cut off their benefits...







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