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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43631384

Hacker News 上的一篇帖子讨论了一篇文章,文章内容是关于假冒求职者涌入美国公司远程职位招聘的现象。评论者们就问题的严重性和性质展开了辩论。一些人认为 AI 生成的求职者是虚构的,而另一些人则分享了欺骗性行为的经历,例如“超负荷工作”(同时担任多份工作)以及涉及多人团队冒充求职者的复杂计划。有人担心,关于假冒申请人的说法可能会被用来为强制返岗令辩护。文章还批评了人们对冒名顶替者安装恶意软件风险的过于草率的结论。一位评论者指出,通过 Hacker News 招聘帖子收到了高质量的简历,这表明这个问题可能并非普遍存在。总的来说,讨论突出了在远程工作环境中验证求职者的挑战以及各种就业欺诈的可能性。


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Fake job seekers are flooding US companies that are hiring for remote positions (cnbc.com)
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Another remote employment fraud that is much more prevalent is "Overemployment". You will get an applicant that is very skilled and hits the interview out of the park. But then when hired they are working many jobs and just trying to steal as many paychecks as they can until you fire them. They keep their first jobs resume clean and they all check out.

There is a Reddit community with over 400k members to show how prevalent this is [1]. There's lots of tactics like not allowing mentions on LinkedIn so they can't be publicly mentioned and seen by other unsuspecting employers, and just maintaining plausible deniability about why they can't make an on camera meeting. It is technically not illegal so it is very lucrative and hard to detect.

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/top/



AI generated recruits are a fiction. That's not to say there aren't fake or bait and switch recruits but this idea makes no sense.

Some background. I'm a senior developer who has performed hundreds of interviews and seen dozens of questionable recruits long before AI. Typically the scam is that an offshore consultancy wants to place some roles to collect wages. Many of these agencies are from collectivist cultures, so in the mind of the agency, they all work in our project. This may not be true, but the agency sees the position as theirs, not the recruit's. So they typically don't the issue with putting recruit A in front of the interviewer and then slotting recruit B in after the position is secured. I've seen this done with A talking while B moves their lips on camera. Now with chatGPT (and earlier to some degree with just Google Search) we just see applicants eyes focused on something they're reading when we ask questions. All of this is just as easy as an AI generated applicant (if not easier) and quite likely to get the recruit hired.

A lot of this narrative is pointing the finger at China, North Korea and Russia/Ukraine. The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors. North Korea has executed the largest crypto heists in history. These are not groups who need to fake it.

So who does this narrative serve? It serves the RTO CEOs. This makes CEOs scared to hire remote workers and lets the ones who demand it have a reason.

If anything the panic around AI should reinforce the need to think critically about these things.



We've had more than a few in my company. We work in Cybersecurity for the company, so we've definitely seen them and seen the details. I don't actually think they're that hard to avoid .. but to say they're not a problem at all is not fair. I agree with you that if taken the wrong way that this is just ammunition for "return to office" efforts.

A LOT of people are far worse at interviewing than they think they are. And so, a bullshit artist can get hired. Technology now allows these bullshit artists to propagate more, and do more damage than would have previously be possible. AI in the workplace is a similar problem. Can you tell the different between someone who really just leans on ChatGPT all day but is actually incompetent? Probably so, but someone who was that incompetent just wouldn't have previously been able to hang on for quite as long, or deceive so many people.



> A LOT of people are far worse at interviewing than they think they are.

A LOT of interviews are one-sided bully sessions, so people don't jump through the hoops they are expected to.. especially in hazing-friendly cultures like the security and finance sectors



> putting recruit A in front of the interviewer and then slotting recruit B in after the position is secured

reality is way more messy and worse. There are multiple actors involved in each part. Eg 2-3 "actors" for visual screen are ready for each call, 2-4 "audio" knowledge only experts on the call, 1 dedicated speaker, 1 person coordinating answers from audio folks to actor folks.

they are even ready for once in a while visit to offices in us, so they have actors there on the field as well ready to attend calls (probably 1 to 1 mapping after first visit)

and the work assigned is assigned to a completely different set of people, not involved in any of above. those folks and these folks dont interact.

i have worked part time as one of the "audio" person in above interviews. also involved on work side. ama.



… what’s the point?


It is because you give someone who can do work, access to the client - they will instantly forget that they "came from collectivist culture" and flip out to work directly. So those who can work, don't get access to client. Those who get access to client, can't work.


Make money ?


>The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors.

Out of curiosity, what tech sector does Ukraine have? I don't remember ever hearing of any large successful Ukrainian SW compony or unicorn.



Had one apply to my team last week, they had on their resume they worked with a tech company from 2019 to 2022 in a very specific role which would have been managed by my brother in law. Checked with him and he called BS on it. Wanted to drag them out a few rounds and do some last minute reschedules, but HR just slammed the door, saying they get lots of these now.


From this month's HN hiring, we might have received 30-40 resumes so far. Out of that, we have interviewed (or scheduled) around 20. There were no fake resumes; in fact we got very high quality resumes this time. There weren't any fakes in the previous months as well (in noticeable numbers).

I am not saying it's not happening. But we haven't seen it happen on HN.



> Once hired, an impostor can install malware to demand a ransom from a company, or steal its customer data, trade secrets or funds.

I'm getting whiplash from how quickly this article jumps to conclusions. Most corporate cybersecurity is quite strong. Why is this the very first conclusion they come to? Not even that the fake profiles collect a salary, just.. "virus!!!"



Most? Maybe for large companies. I work with a lot of SMBs and half of them are happy to use the gateway built into their cable modem, and install no additional security whatsoever. While running OSs that are beyond end of life.


Are they applying to all the fake jobs?


Yeah, this seems like a fair turnaround for the folks who've been wasting applicants' time for decades.


> ...seems like a fair turnaround for...

Except the "them" who've been wasting applicants' time for decades is not the same as the "them" who are facing the flood of fake job seekers.

It's generally preferable that "justice" treats innocent parties and guilty parties quite differently.



That sure won't make it easier to apply for full remote jobs...






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