数学家不关心基础。
Mathematicians don't care about foundations (2022)

原始链接: https://matteocapucci.wordpress.com/2022/12/21/mathematicians-dont-care-about-foundations/

许多人认为数学家们深入研究像选择公理这样复杂的基石问题,但实际上大多数人并不直接参与其中。数学基础是一个相对较新的发展,最初的“危机”几乎没有影响到实际的数学工作——只有基础教材需要修订。 这种看似的漠不关心并非弱点,而是数学稳健性的体现。数学本质上是非正式的,依赖于共同的直觉和未言明的约定。形式系统作为沟通和思考的工具很有价值,但最终是定义“足够形式化”的社会构建,而非绝对真理。 数学家们通常接受ZFC集合论,并非出于深刻的承诺,而是因为它为基于朴素集合论的直觉实践提供了一种广泛接受的理由。这种冷漠提供了一个机会:如果将类型论等更具表现力的基础系统呈现为*便捷*的工具,而不是要求哲学转变,数学家们可能会对此持开放态度。数学并非建立在基石之上,而是直觉不断演化的编码。

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Many people seem to believe mathematicians work in non-constructive, non-structural, battered foundations because they love their Platonic realm and have a kink for AC and LEM. The reality is most mathematicians don’t have a clue about foundations, they don’t care, and happily work informally for all their lives.

Case in point, mathematical foundations are a pretty recent thing (19th century if we are being generous) but their establishment didn’t deprecate previous mathematics, which continued to be studied and used just as well. Even during the so-called ‘crisis in foundations’ at the start of the 20th century most mathematicians didn’t blink an eye. Only a few pages of math had to be rewritten, and they were about foundations themselves.

I’m being intentionally provocative in calling out foundations here so, let me throw a bucket of water on this fire already. Foundations are not useless to study at all! On the contrary, mathematicians are thankful someone figured out foundations for them, so that they just need to know some TL;DR about which logical maneuvers they are allowed to perform and which objects they are allowed to claim the existence of.

Such ‘irrelevance’ witnesses a robustness in mathematics, betraying a deeper nature behind it’s facade of rigour. Mathematics is irreducibly informal (even foundations), i.e. relying on some unspoken mutual understanding on how to interpret signs, concepts, and norms. The difference among mathematicians is how deep they have to shell such conventions before being satisfied.

Thus math is not a castle built on a bedrock of unshakeable foundations. Math is rather a collective codification of intuitions squeezed into formal frames in the best way possible. This is why the ‘crisis in foundations’ didn’t really matter for most mathematics: what broke was the frame, not the ideas. This is also why we get new and improved mathematical theories every now and then. Saying ‘space’ today doesn’t evoke the same suggestions it used to do two-hundred years ago.

In fact formal definitions never fully capture the essence of the ideas they intend to embody, being mere vessels to reason and communicate deeper, intangible intuitions about them. This essence is shaped by the discourse among mathematicians, and the unrelenting murmuration of teaching and learning. This is the true mathematical platonic realm: the socially determined, impalpable world of shared intuitions and understandings, substantiating all the formal language.

Formality is relevant, don’t get me wrong. Mathematicians hold it in great respect, and agree to abide to its rule. I myself recognize the importance of choosing good formal language (meaning definitions and notational devices) to guide our thoughts. After all, boundaries shape creativity. But here I’m making the point that what ‘formal enough’ means is entirely a social construction, dependent on who, more than what, you are working with.

If this isn’t already liberating (or obvious) enough for you, here’s a silver-lining. The carelessness mathematicians have towards foundational matters has the interesting corollary that they don’t feel strongly about any of the options on the menu. In particular they are not committed to ZFC as much as some people like to complain.

Mathematicians point in the direction of ZFC when asked about foundations because this is what they’ve heard justifies set theory, and that’s what they care about. Naive set theory supplies the raw material they’ve learned to build mathematical concepts with, and ZFC provides quality assurance for it. But that’s it: the average mathematician barely knows how ZFC actually limits their set manipulations.

For people who, like me, are enamoured of structural foundations, and think more mathematicians should be aware of them, this is great news! Potentially, agnostics can be convinced to adopt more expressive foundations if we don’t insist this to be a matter of religious faith, but a more convenient justification for their mathematics.

In fact, I’m sure if at the start of an undergrad mathematical curriculum we provided students with a good ‘naive type theory’, mathematicians would just grow to use it. They’d still won’t care, but they’d happily credit Martin-Löf for giving legitimacy to their mathematics instead of Cantor, Zermelo and Fraenkel.

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