Douglas Adams on the English–American cultural divide over "heroes"

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这段2006年的交流围绕道格拉斯·亚当斯的《银河系漫游指南》的喜剧性质——或者说缺乏喜剧性质——展开。一位读者指出该系列作品潜在的虚无主义,特别是关于总是倒霉的亚瑟·邓特,认为他是一个令人沮丧且没有主导权的人物。 亚当斯回应说,这涉及一种文化差异:英国幽默常常*庆祝*失败和缺乏控制,文学英雄如格列佛和哈姆雷特就是例证。他提到了斯蒂芬·派尔的畅销书(在英国)《英雄式失败之书》,并指出美国人很难在失败中找到幽默,认为失败是需要克服的,而不是接受的。 对于英国观众来说,亚瑟·邓特*是*一个英雄——不是因为他实现了目标,而是因为他冷静地接受并抱怨生活带来的混乱。亚当斯很难向好莱坞传达这一点,在那里,角色需要明确的“目标”才能被认为是英雄。最终,他认为最新的剧本保留了亚瑟的“非英雄式的英雄主义”。作者总结说,虽然主导权和环境塑造了我们的生活,但美国更倾向于强调自我决定,而英国则更倾向于接受命运。

## 幽默的文化差异:摘要 一则由道格拉斯·亚当斯的名言引发的Hacker News讨论,探讨了美国和英国在幽默和“英雄”方面的不同方法。亚当斯观察到,美国文化难以接受关于失败的笑话,更喜欢取得成功的主人公。这与英国幽默形成对比,英国幽默常常在有缺陷、不成功的角色中寻找喜剧元素——例如《办公室》(英国版)中的大卫·布伦特,以及英国文学中经常令人沮丧的主人公。 评论者指出,《办公室》(美国版 vs. 英国版)以及唐老鸭(欧洲)和米奇老鼠(美国)的受欢迎程度等差异作为证据。一些人认为这源于历史因素,例如大英帝国的衰落与美国实力的崛起,或不同的宗教传统。另一些人则指出像《查理·布朗》这样的例外,以及现代美国喜剧倾向于更黑暗、更自嘲的风格。 这场对话凸显了美国可能对乐观和成就存在文化偏好,而英国则更欣然接受失败,将其视为幽默和相关角色特征的来源。
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原文

In 2000, Douglas Adams made an interesting observation that I keep returning to.

A user on Slashdot named “FascDot Killed My Pr” had asked the following question (where HGttG = Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy):

Comedy….or Tragedy?

First, a big thank-you. You’ve made a lasting contribution to “our” culture (or should that be “culture”?)

I first read HGttG in my early teens. I doubled over laughing the whole time. I read and reread the entire series, bought both Dirk Gently books AND Last Chance to See. Loved them all and wouldn’t trade having read them for anything. (btw, the first mental ward scene in Long Dark Teatime is a no-foolin’, all-time classic.)

However, a few years ago I was talking to a (then) classmate. Very smart, philosophy-major type. He said (paraphrased) “I thought that HGttG was depressing. Such nihilism.” At the time I thought “Hmmm…I didn’t SEE a black beret on his head….”. But every reading of the series since then his comment has struck me as more true–especially in the case of Arthur Dent. In fact, far from being funny, I now find Dent’s character depressing–he’s not just a loser, he literally has no control over his life at all (except in So Long for a while). And the control he does have does him no good (e.g. Earth is destroyed while he’s trying to save his house.)

So my question is: When you were writing these books did you feel you were being gaily whimsical or did you instead feel frustrated and cynical?

Douglas Adams replied with:

I suspect there is a cultural divide at work here. In England our heroes tend to be characters who either have, or come to realise that they have, no control over their lives whatsoever – Pilgrim, Gulliver, Hamlet, Paul Pennyfeather (from Decline and Fall), Tony Last (from A Handful of Dust). We celebrate our defeats and our withdrawals – the Battle of Hastings, Dunkirk, almost any given test match. There was a wonderful book published, oh, about twenty years ago I think, by Stephen Pile called the Book of Heroic Failures. It was staggeringly huge bestseller in England and sank with heroic lack of trace in the U.S. Stephen explained this to me by saying that you cannot make jokes about failure in the States. It’s like cancer, it just isn’t funny at any level. In England, though, for some reason it’s the thing we love most. So Arthur may not seem like much of a hero to Americans – he doesn’t have any stock options, he doesn’t have anything to exchange high fives about round the water-cooler. But to the English, he is a hero. Terrible things happen to him, he complains about it a bit quite articulately, so we can really feel it along with him - then calms down and has a cup of tea. My kind of guy!

I’ve hit a certain amount of difficulty over the years in explaining this in Hollywood. I’m often asked ‘Yes, but what are his goals?’ to which I can only respond, well, I think he’d just like all this to stop, really. It’s been a hard sell. I rather miss David Vogel from the film process. He’s the studio executive at Disney who was in charge of the project for a while, but has since departed. There was a big meeting at one time to discuss, amongst other things, Arthur’s heroicness or lack of it. David suddenly asked me ‘Does Arthur’s presence in the proceedings make a difference to the way things turn out?’ to which I said, slightly puzzled, ‘Well, yes.’ David smiled and said ‘Good. Then he’s a hero.’

In the current, latest version of the screenplay, I think that Arthur’s non-heroic heroism is now absolutely preserved, and I’m pleased with the way he works out.

(Douglas Adams Answers (Finally) - Slashdot)

I think I have more to say about this, and will try to come back and add more here, but meanwhile a few things at random:

  • As a matter of fact, I have read The Book of Heroic Failures (1979) with great enjoyment. (Post from 2011 — I only wrote four sentences of my own, but one of them was “Too many books have been written in praise of competence; this book provides an antidote by celebrating failure as only a British author can.”)

  • I think he is right that this goes over better (generally speaking) in England than in the USA. Of course one can make jokes mocking failure, but someone who fails does not automatically become endearing (in a kind of everyman way) in America the way they would in England. It seems to me that Americans are more likely to feel either contempt or pity than to feel kinship: or at any rate, they regard the failure as a setback or interesting circumstance, rather than the natural/default state of the world. (As someone who is neither American nor English, I am of course not someone whose opinions you should pay any heed to.)

  • As we live our lives, are we merely victims subject to winds of chance and external circumstance, or are we powerful agents fashioning our own stories, making our own luck? Obviously the answer is “both”, but perhaps the most distinctively American trait is to lean more towards the latter.
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