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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43421902

Hacker News 的讨论围绕荷兰议会呼吁放弃美国科技,转而采用本土替代方案展开,其动机是出于对数据主权以及潜在的美国政府影响力的担忧。 一些用户对此举表示赞赏,认为这有利于欧盟科技公司,也是迈向区域自主的必要步骤。他们认为,多极世界需要依赖当地供应商,并且不信任以美国为中心的科技。 然而,其他人则对此表示怀疑,称其为政客们的“空洞姿态”,他们并没有为当地科技初创企业创造一个有利的环境。人们担心这会阻碍外籍人士和数据中心的发展。一些人还认为,美国才是初创企业的更好市场,这也是美国公司更优秀的原因。 一位评论者还提到了迪拜由于税收优惠而成为欧洲高收入人群目的地的现象。总体情绪褒贬不一,从谨慎乐观到完全否定议会的倡议。


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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options (theregister.com)
46 points by rippeltippel 37 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 16 comments










Called it, again.

Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service.

Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that the US-centric technology catalog (from hardware to software to services to clouds) cannot be trusted long term, as just a single bad administration will expose how easily the US Government could disrupt “business as usual” or turn into a hostile state actor a la China or Russia. Welp, now we’re here.

Man, I hate being right.



I mean, ok, fine guys but this is just more empty gestures from a club of empty heads in the GroenLinks/PvdA clown-car.

I don't recall that they were against (in fact they were in favour) of the removal of the 30% tax rules intended to attract expats in, among other things, tech businesses. I don't recall that they've ever done or said anything to make the country a more attractive place to start or grow a business of any kind, let alone the kind of venture capital funded technology startups that would allow us to move a substantial fraction of our tech consumption to homegrown alternatives.

Maybe they're at least in favour of permitting for data centres so that we can at least host our own services... oh wait, they don't want those either.



Yeah, that Military-Industrial Complex thing that we hated?

Well, now we want one.



It’s like a mortgage. I want one. I need one. But I still hate it.


> Dutch MP Barbara Kathmann, author of four of the motions, told The Register. "If we continue outsourcing all of our digital infrastructure to billionaires that would rather escape Earth by building space rockets, there will be no Dutch expertise left."

This kind of casual anti-technology attitude among European politicians is part of the reason we are in this mess.



Anti-technology is just a dog whistle for anti-capital. Billionaires have made things exceptionally worse. Facebook was started as a way to rate women’s faces, is the foundation our data collection industry is built off of. We need to tear down the entire system and rebuild something else.


No. The main reason we got in this mess is because the US is a better market for startups, simply because of the amount of available money, and the fact that it’s easier to start in a market with 340M people who speak the same language.


I guess it's better than nothing.


I have a goal to get rid of all US based software. I already replaced some services but I will continue to look every chance I get.

This is the best thing to ever happen to EU based tech companies.



I hope more countries will follow suit


Let's first see if the actual government follows suit - this is just a call by Parliament. And even if the government follows suit, we'll have to see how long it will take and how well they will do it.

But still a good first step.



Makes sense to prepare for the Greenland war


This is the way.


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Examples?


the latest trend is Dubai. High earners in Europe moving to Dubai because they double take home salaries when they drop the european government mafia


Well, let’s see how that changes the coming years.






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