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原始链接: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43425841

Hacker News 上的一篇讨论帖关注路透社报道的一位法国科学家被拒入境美国的事件。评论者们对这给国际科研合作和美国学术自由带来的影响表示担忧,尤其担心拒签是基于政治观点而非实际威胁。 一位评论者建议知名的学术会议应该考虑移师至对科学家持更欢迎立场的国家。另一位评论者将此事件与“言论自由”含义的逐渐被侵蚀联系起来,认为这使得限制自由变得更容易。 其他评论者讨论了目前巴西人赴美是否安全,还有人讲述了一个通过在手上纹反美信息来躲避越南战争征兵的故事。原文链接可见。


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French scientist denied entry into the U.S., French government says (reuters.com)
52 points by petethomas 55 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 7 comments










Remembering my mom's hippy friend when the Vietnam "conflict" was in full swing. He had tattooed "Fuck the USA" on the "saluting edge" of his right hand. It apparently worked as a deterrent to being drafted. (I understand it was costly to remove after the draft was over.)

If someone wanted to make a statement or make a point about the free U.S., one wonders what creative things one could assign as their phone wallpaper before going through customs.



I've read that on Reddit and I'm more reading that Britain issued a travel warning... Adding that up plus all the things that cab happen until next month, would you consider it safe for a Brazilian to visit the US is this climate?


Discussion (113 points, 21 hours ago, 51 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43416476


I was waiting to respond until I saw this reported from a source like Reuters.

This is very scary. I’m an American community college instructor in Silicon Valley who does research with domestic and international colleagues; in fact, I will be in Japan this summer as a visiting researcher. If people could be denied entry to the United States over harmless political opinions shared electronically, then this hurts our ability to collaborate in-person with foreign researchers in the United States, and this also hurts our ability to hold academic conferences here.

It’s one thing if the scientist made threats or advocated overthrow; that is not protected free speech. But if it’s just an opinion or even name-calling, then this denial of entry is flatly wrong and flatly un-American.

Perhaps it’s time for prominent US academic conferences with international attendees to move to Canada, France, Japan, or some other place where scientists and science in general are not under attack by their government.



“Free speech absolutists” they said.

“Free speech” has always been about protecting people against exactly this, but since they have spent almost a decade destroying the meaning of the phrase, they can now get rid of the freedom it entails.



They have no problem lying in bold letters and are absolutely not embarrassed one bit when caught out on it.


Liars lie. That's what they do.

It is our personal responsibility to learn what is true and what is false, and then hold both ourselves and our elected leaders to that standard.

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