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Hacker News正在讨论法国为军备重新武装而对超级富豪征税的可能性,引发了对其有效性和潜在后果的辩论。一些用户引用了类似税收的历史失败案例,例如奥朗德的75%税率,导致财富外流和收入微薄。另一些人则认为这对于自卫是合理的,并且可以重新分配财富。 人们担心拉弗曲线效应,用户指出,由于税收原因,百万富翁已经离开英国,而税收负担可能落在“专业人士”身上。一些人提出了替代方案,例如土地价值税或更高的遗产税。一位用户认为瑞士的低税率可以归因于该国低的失业率。 反驳意见认为,超级富豪的离开可能会释放住房,并且与留下并纳税的人相比,离开的百万富翁数量微不足道。一位用户批评了欧洲的“社会福利制度”,并提倡社会改革。


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France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain could be next (telegraph.co.uk)
29 points by Teever 49 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments














There is a flip side though. How long do the working poor tolerate billionaires?


I think it’s coming and it makes sense.


Don't threaten me with a good time.


France seeks to solve its reckless spending problem by increasing taxes on the rich, and setting up yet another rediscovery of the Laffer curve? I can hardly believe it!


This is for self defense. The rich would benefit massively from that.


Hollande tried to do this in France (75% effective rate on earnings above a million Euros).

Even his staunchly socialist regime had to admit its failure and abruptly reverse course in 2014, two years later. The tax raised just €260m in 2013 and €160m in 2014…. But caused an exodus of wealth and job creators



"plots" ?


Meaning it'll fail like all previous attempts and this will be yet another tax raise on people having a decent job, but nowhere near rich.

What people imagine this means is a tax on rich people. An appartment in the center of paris costs about 10.000 per month. If you calculate how much you need to own to afford that on interest income alone, it's 120000/4% = 3,000,000. Make it 4 million to cover eating out every day as well. That would be the lowest level I would see as super-rich.

But wealth tax, where it exists (e.g. Switzerland) starts at 111.059. This is in a country where a downpayment for a basic apartment would be at least 160000 (but more likely 200.000). So even in famously not-super-low-but-still-pretty-low-tax-Switzerland it's mostly taxing what you would call "professionals". People with a decent, but not spectacular, job (accountant, programmer, ... not FANG wages or doctors). Oh, and looking at the country's finances it becomes immediately clear: Switzerland is low tax because it also has very low unemployment/social support and very low pensions.

The solution to this USED to be inflation, government deficits of 10% even 20% in Southern Europe (before the euro was introduced, which transferred control of inflation to the independent ECB, preventing government deficits financed by inflation, as was the norm in the 1980s and 1990s for example)



The super-rich are already leaving Britain[1] so realistically if they want to raise more money they'll just tax workers a bit more since they're less economically mobile. No matter how much European politicians try to deny it, the Laffer is real, and long-term uncompetitive tax policies are not good for government income.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/22/millionaire-...



So, lots of foreign guys who were not paying taxes in britain while benefitting from a temporary exemption and that would leave as soon as this exemption ended, left early because the exemption period was shortenened.

Good. They were making houses more expensive and not paying taxes anyway.



Should tax land more and income less. Income from work is at least productive, owning land is not. #Georgism


Inheritance and donations should be strongly progressively taxed.


> and donations

What do you mean by donations? A 'donation' is the typical way to refer to giving money to a charity. Are you saying that charitable donations should be taxed?



The super-rich leaving really breaks my heart.


When they leave, they take their investments, spending, and created jobs with them.

Many countries have confiscated everything from the rich, driven them out, and even mass murdered them. None resulted in the poor being better off - things just got worse for the poor.



If they liquidate their assets it’s gonna be a lot more affordable to buy homes. I think that alone will warm your heart


The super-rich do not have enough houses to make a dent in the supply of homes.



The title of that link seem to imply it was a net loss, but the numbers in the body seem to imply that while ~10k millionaires left, the tax revenue loss from millionaires leaving was $5b in (theoretical) yearly lost tax revenue (it's not clear from the article if all those millionaires leaving were even paying taxes as it notes many of them were in a grace period after entering before taxes kicked in, and it doesn't link to the downstream report from ASI).

Given that there's a lot more than 10 thousand millionaires in Britain and they are sticking around to pay taxes (more than enough to cover the $5b from those who left), I don't see how that's actually a bad thing?



One step closer to socialism then…

I was hoping this moment would be a wake up call for Europe. But no, instead of reforming our absurd “social state” that rewards those who do less (or nothing at all) at the expense of those that contribute positively to society, we are doubling down on what brought us to this state of irrelevance in the first place.







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